Worst thing.

[marjoram_blues]

Love you too, hunny

Bullshit. Just pack it in, 'hunny'.

Bye, bye sweetness xxx

[Dalek Prime]

That the uinverse doesn't need life is irrelevant...it's workings produce life, the conditions for life...life 'is' and no amount of wishin' is gonna put the nada-fish is your hand ('cept where you exit the stage on your own). Where did I discuss myself in this equation? Don't change the subject.

And, of course, I can't imagine not existing and I can't see any reason to try. Because it's a necessary step in understanding the subject matter. Are you unwilling to step outside your confines? If not, why be on a philosophy forum in the first place?

And, I think I'm being very reasonable on my end (I leave rational to computers and the autistic), but we obviously don't see eye to eye, will not find a middle ground, so I'll withdraw havin' said my piece. Nice excuse for quitting.

Sorry if I pissed on your parade.

To piss on it, you'd first have to offer a legitimate counter-argument.

[Dalek Prime]

Love you too, hunny

Bullshit. Just pack it in, 'hunny'.

Bye, bye sweetness xxx

Mwah, mwah. Kissy-kissy.

Fine. I have software to write.

[uwot]

Future generations aren't being denied anything, nor missing anything, because they don't exist, and don't expect to. What a load of romantic crap notion that is, uwot.

Fair enough. If, as you suggest to others, you want a rational discussion, I think you have to accept that it will be based on aesthetic or ethical premises. Somewhere you are going to have to can get an is from an ought, or prove that beauty is not in the eye of the beholder. Meanwhile, I'm with Henry on this one, doesn't always happen, but I like life, and I think it would be a terrible waste of a universe if there were no one to appreciate it.
From what I can gather, part of your argument is that some people are nasty: let's give up. I'd rather stay and fight.

[marjoram_blues]

The hint is in the name. Dalek thinks/wishes that:
Extermination of all beings is required.
Because:
the universe doesn't require them.

Why doesn't the universe require them?
Where and how is it known that this is the case?

Other reasons:
It would stop suffering and abuse and life's game of chance.
Such things are forced on beings who had no say in the matter of being born.

The reasoning is based on anger and fear.Absolute Control is key here. Dependent on logic for an apparently comforting solution...
Which others find less than rational with potentially dangerous Implications.To clarify, this is not to say that the dalek is dangerous or lacks compassion or anything at all. This is about the thought processes.

[Hobbes' Choice]

In your opinion, what is the absolutely worse thing that one can do?

To me, it's the act of procreation; creating a new consciousness that may then suffer from all other acts.

How about you?

Why are you still alive?

[henry quirk]

"To piss on it, you'd first have to offer a legitimate counter-argument."

As I say, not seein' your position is on any firmer ground than mine. Entirely possible I'm misunderstanding you. If you would, restate your position, simply.

[Dalek Prime]

"To piss on it, you'd first have to offer a legitimate counter-argument."

As I say, not seein' your position is on any firmer ground than mine. Entirely possible I'm misunderstanding you. If you would, restate your position, simply.

Always happy to restate for a reasonable man as yourself, Henry.

When I speak about about people not existing, I'm not talking about you, your lad, me, or any other extant ie. anyone existing at the present. I'm only referring to potential lives that do not exist yet, and question their need to exist. They don't exist, and don't know about life. We, the existing, do. Ergo, it's natural that we would miss it. Is that clearer? If it isn't, or would like me to expand or elucidate further, I'd be more than happy to, in order to clarify. Cheers.

[Dalek Prime]

In your opinion, what is the absolutely worse thing that one can do?

To me, it's the act of procreation; creating a new consciousness that may then suffer from all other acts.

How about you?

Why are you still alive?

Because I haven't died yet lol.

[henry quirk]

Okay, I get it now.

And: I agree, future folks aren't neccessary (in an objective sense).

Not sure what use our agreement is to either of us, or to any one else.

Animals are gonna keep on, keepin' on with the baby-makin', neccessary or not.

That is: other than being a descriptive assessment, what good is antinatalism?

[Hobbes' Choice]

In your opinion, what is the absolutely worse thing that one can do?

To me, it's the act of procreation; creating a new consciousness that may then suffer from all other acts.

How about you?

Why are you still alive?

Because I haven't died yet lol.

If life is not worth living then is it cowardice that prevents you taking your life, or are you really just talking bollocks with all this anti-natalism?

[Harbal]

Okay, I get it now.

And: I agree, future folks aren't neccessary (in an objective sense).

Oh yes they are. Under the UK state pension scheme they're the ones who'll be supporting me when I retire.

[henry quirk]

HA!

[Dalek Prime]

Okay, I get it now.

And: I agree, future folks aren't neccessary (in an objective sense).

Oh yes they are. Under the UK state pension scheme they're the ones who'll be supporting me when I retire.

Yes, but only to be used by present existents, not for themselves. It's fucking existential slavery.

[Dalek Prime]

Hobbes, stop being the most retarded turd on this site. Life is worth living, but not worth starting. Why the fuck can't you wrap your mind about such a simple concept?