Worst thing.

[Dalek Prime]

You assume a lot about me from my question which you didn't answer.

And you cant see my answer, which is clear. Besides, you are all assumptions about my personality, and never properly answer mine. And you have a tendency to avoid uncomfortable concepts.

Yes, I would have no consciousness in the universe.

Now, quid pro quo. Answer mine.

I don't respond well to demands of quid pro quo. How the hell do you think you could produce the circumstances in which there would be no consciousness in the universe. And why would you wish this ?

No, you don't respond well to thinking or talking about concepts you either don't understand, fear, or despise as a reflex.

Here I go answering yours, though you wont return in kind. a. By not procreating. b. Because the universe, nor a future existent, doesn't require it.

[Dalek Prime]

In my view...

The worst thing you can do is use a child (define 'use' as you like).

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"I would have no consciousness in the universe."

Then, when it comes time to elect a new god, no way in hell will you get my vote...

Me: I like being alive.

Bullshit call, Henry. There is no child being used, if it's never born. Parents, on the other hand, can't help but use them, or get them used, in the act of creating them. You can't use something if it doesn't exist. So, who is using who, Henry?

[henry quirk]

What's bullshit is whining about existence. If thine life offends thee: end it.

As my grandpap used to say: shit, or get offa the pot.

[Dalek Prime]

What's bullshit is whining about existence. If thine life offends thee: end it.

As my grandpap used to say: shit, or get offa the pot.

Nice duck, Henry. You can't argue your position, so you tell me to shut up and stop whining. Go away if you won't or can't debate your position, rationally. You haven't offered one legitimate defense, besides being defensive. None of you have.

[marjoram_blues]

In your opinion, what is the absolutely worse thing that one can do?

To me, it's the act of procreation; creating a new consciousness that may then suffer from all other acts.

How about you?

So, you would have no living beings on Earth at all, is that right?

Why would that matter in the long run? Aside from your personal distaste for the thought? Who's going to notice the difference? Even you won't know or care, soon enough.

Tell me right now, directly; who would that effect or impact, after current existents are gone?

In the long run, nothing much matters to me. The disquieting thing about having this as a current philosophy is the way that it could be used by madmen hellbent on speeding up the process. Who knows the Impact of an idea taken to extreme ?

[marjoram_blues]

M: How the hell do you think you could produce the circumstances in which there would be no consciousness in the universe. And why would you wish this ?

Dalek:. a. By not procreating. b. Because the universe, nor a future existent, doesn't require it.

Just wondering whether any big time, big fella Consciousness would give up that easily. How do you know the universe doesn't need some form of being ?
You didn't say why you would wish this ?

[Dalek Prime]

In the long run, nothing much matters to me. The disquieting thing about having this as a current philosophy is the way that it could be used by madmen hellbent on speeding up the process. Who knows the Impact of an idea taken to extreme ?

Now we are getting somewhere, marjoram. You are now discussing your fears of nihilism, eugenics, and compulsion by others. That is not antinatalism, nor what I'm suggesting or discussing, myself, so have no fear there. The only thing that can be abused this way is a consciousness, by another consciousness.

[Dalek Prime]

M: How the hell do you think you could produce the circumstances in which there would be no consciousness in the universe. And why would you wish this ?

Dalek:. a. By not procreating. b. Because the universe, nor a future existent, doesn't require it.

Just wondering whether any big time, big fella Consciousness would give up that easily. How do you know the universe doesn't need some form of being ?
You didn't say why you would wish this ?

Answer mine, for shit's sake. All you do is ask questions, ad nauseum. I'll answer, if this conversation becomes equitable. What is your issue?

And I did answer your question. It's not necessary, and plays a game of Russian roulette with a consciousness that never asked to play.

[henry quirk]

"You haven't offered on legitimate defense, besides being defensive. None of you have."

Sure I have, you can't see it cuz your head is buried in your own peculiar philo-hole.

Again: I like being alive. I like every pleasure, pain, success, failure, and on and on. I find living preferable to not living. What other defense do I need?

Your position, 'I would have no consciousness in the universe', you defend how? With this, 'Because the universe...doeesn't require it', despite the fact it is the very workings of reality, the universe, that give rise to life.

Not really seein' how your view is on firmer ground than mine.

[Dalek Prime]

"You haven't offered on legitimate defense, besides being defensive. None of you have."

Sure I have, you can't see it cuz your head is buried in your own peculiar philo-hole.

Again: I like being alive. I like every pleasure, pain, success, failure, and on and on. I find living preferable to not living. What other defense do I need?

Your position, 'I would have no consciousness in the universe', you defend how? With this, 'Because the universe...doeesn't require it', despite the fact it is the very workings of reality, the universe, that give rise to life.

Not really seein' how your view is on firmer ground than mine.

The universe doesn't require it, as you suggest. If it did, it would have began consciousness from it's inception. As to you liking it, that's because you exist, and can't imagine otherwise.

Example. If you had no concept of candy, fruit, or sweet, would you sit around, pining for a candy apple? You know of it, so you automatically pine for it (consciousness, that is). And fuck off with your assumptions of my thought processes, or lack thereof. Just discuss this rationally, or piss off.

[marjoram_blues]

M: How the hell do you think you could produce the circumstances in which there would be no consciousness in the universe. And why would you wish this ?

Dalek:. a. By not procreating. b. Because the universe, nor a future existent, doesn't require it.

Just wondering whether any big time, big fella Consciousness would give up that easily. How do you know the universe doesn't need some form of being ?
You didn't say why you would wish this ?

Answer mine, for shits sake. All you do is ask questions, ad nauseum. I'll answer, if this conversation becomes equitable. What is your issue?

And I did answer your question. It's not necessary, and plays a game of Russian roulette with a consciousness that never asked to play.

OK, Dalek - enough already. I won't converse further on your particular worldview. Questioning seems to frustrate you. And I can do without the aggro. My choice, not fear.

[Dalek Prime]

M: How the hell do you think you could produce the circumstances in which there would be no consciousness in the universe. And why would you wish this ?

Dalek:. a. By not procreating. b. Because the universe, nor a future existent, doesn't require it.

Just wondering whether any big time, big fella Consciousness would give up that easily. How do you know the universe doesn't need some form of being ?
You didn't say why you would wish this ?

Answer mine, for shits sake. All you do is ask questions, ad nauseum. I'll answer, if this conversation becomes equitable. What is your issue?

And I did answer your question. It's not necessary, and plays a game of Russian roulette with a consciousness that never asked to play.

OK, Dalek - enough already. I won't converse further on your particular worldview. Questioning seems to frustrate you. And I can do without the aggro. My choice, not fear.

You always beg off from debate marjoram. I have a right to become aggravated when you wont deal equitably. I keep answering you, but there's no give on your side. Fine, stop then.

[marjoram_blues]

Love you too, hunny

[Dalek Prime]

Love you too, hunny

Bullshit. Just pack it in, 'hunny'.

[henry quirk]

That the uinverse doesn't need life is irrelevant...it's workings produce life, the conditions for life...life 'is' and no amount of wishin' is gonna put the nada-fish is your hand ('cept where you exit the stage on your own).

And, of course, I can't imagine not existing and I can't see any reason to try.

And, I think I'm being very reasonable on my end (I leave rational to computers and the autistic), but we obviously don't see eye to eye, will not find a middle ground, so I'll withdraw havin' said my piece.

Sorry if I pissed on your parade.