Arising_uk wrote:SpheresOfBalance wrote:Not really, because we can only speak of our universe, whatever that might be. I won't commit to anything we cannot know at this time. For our universe, yeah, as long as you have always believed so, we have always tended to agree.
You are nearly incomprehensible in your speech. So do you agree or not that ''nothing' cannot exist
You are exceedingly repetitious, "nothing can never 'exist!'" NOTHING IS DEVOID OF EXISTENCE!!! GET IT??
in this or any universe because if it did exist it would not be nothing?
Exactly!! With 'nothing' there is no existence, Exactly! That you can't imagine it, is at issue here, nothing else. You also can neither imagine something from nothing nor infinite existence. Surely something always existing, is diametrically opposed to everything never existing. And something can't come from nothing. The entire issue is full of the brain hurting inability to comprehend. That you and all others exclude nothingness, is simply because you believe you exist. But existence is just as strange as non existence.
The latest in astrophysics has turned many into god fearing scientists. ...
Has it bollocks.
I've heard it from one of the leading Astrophysicists, not a bunch of wannabe philosophers here at the PNF. Sorry but I tend to believe those that would actually know about astrophysicists, namely astrophysicists.
Because they cannot face the something from nothing paradox, at least so said one of them on a documentary I saw a couple years ago.
He needs to do some Philosophy then as the question upon the scientists lips should be 'Why this something rather than another something?' and by-and-large that is what they ask and answer.
Yet you can't explain why there has to be anything in the first place. No one can! As it's well beyond our horizon. A bunch of dumb monkeys treating each other and their symbiotic biosphere, on which their life depends, as they do, in no way can understand such things. The human race is far to young to grasp the truth of such things. Theories are all we can muster.
No, you're an idiot to assume I've ever excluded myself. ...
Like I say, you are an idiot then.
No more so than you. So then what's the point, as they cancel one another out. It's just your means to 'believe' that you aren't one, (due to your fear), which in fact is false, if I am one. Your emotional self's means to fool yourself into 'believing' you are better than another. It's 'child's' play my friend, pure and simple. When you use such unnecessary redundant things as argument, it's your child speaking.
I have always spoke of humans! ...
This is your problem, as you think you speak for all.
No, I know, that on those aspects of which I speak, we are the same, all of humanity. That you make excuses, framing them otherwise, is your denial, for fears sake. Here's some lyrics from an Aussie band called "Unitopia." Obviously I'm not the only person admitting they know this, as evidenced by their lyrics. Maybe their method of saying it you'll appreciate more so than my venomous words. :
"...It's the way we live and die, in
constant state of fear,
All we do is cover weakness, don't shed a single tear.
And every waking moment only serves to tell us why,
There's no second chances here..."
All many of us do, is still 'try and cover weakness,' at least I'm trying to grow beyond that. It would seem you're the queen of not. Keep in mind that I usually only respond in kind.
You and I are in fact humans!
What does that even mean!?
Are you actually capable of putting two thoughts together. Or is it just your ploy to purposely not do so?
It's common for idiots to not be capable of including themselves as flawed when noting human flaws. That's your problem not mine.
And yet I tend not to note flaws, that's your issue. I tend to question errors in logic and reasoning.
That you say this, your smoke screen of justification. By the way the title of that Aussie bands, (Unitopia's) song is "Justify." "All you do is cover weakness!" Denial!
You seem an elitist, ...
And you seem the usual Yank who has an inferiority issues with edumecashun.
Your child again, rearing it's immature head!
your bit "ones meaning is contained in the response 'you' provide," ...
I thank you for bringing this up yet again as it allows me to correct your misapprehension about how language works, so yes, if one uses language to communicate what one means then the response one gets is the meaning that was received, like it or not, if that response does not appear to be the one wanted from the words one use to express what one meant then one ought to pay close attention to them and if one wishes to still communicate that meaning then one should try some different words. Got it yet?
There you go again with your elitist ways. You are NOT 'the' measure of meaning, understanding or language! you are just like ALL the rest, my dear KIM. Namely, "a work in progress."
and that you could abuse Godfee, because of your credentials,
You know Godfree once thanked me for my honest and frank conversations with him don't you?
And so have I, which makes no necessary comment on your psyche, rather you giving your time.
I did not 'abuse' him, I questioned what he said philosophically and he asked my what gave me the right to say such things so I told him.
Not at all, you have changed things in your own mind so as to "cover weakness."
your sarcastic emoticons, your forever need to condescend others, all evidence that you believe you are superior, not a human. ...
When it comes to the subject of Philosophy I am superior to many and that is because I've bothered to read some and most upon interweeb philosophy forums quite apparently haven't.
You are not superior in any way my friend, simply a parrot! I have yet to hear anything 'original' from you that would speak of you alone, not those that you can quote.
You're just as fucked up as all the rest.
No, I'm more fucked-up than some and less so than others, no just about it, but this is just your issue as you wish others to be as fucked-up as you.
Not true at all, how the hell can anyone compare apples to oranges as if they are equal? To then say which is more important. You can't, each are just as important, theirs your just. I have continually been the anti falsehood voice here. And when I call attention to yours, you usually get pissed off and respond condescendingly.
But that I rub your face in it, you can't stand, the reason for all your nastiness. ...
You live a life of delusion if you think you bother me at all. Not least because I can just look at your posts and compare them with mine and there is no comparison to the tone you engender.
Only after you treat me with your condescending nature. Again I usually only treat in kind. The "degree" in which one is seemingly confrontational is of no consequence, as it has no necessary universal quantity.
Up to this point in your life, a stranger looks back at you in your mirror. ...
Don't know about you but when I look in a mirror I see myself.
No, rather the facade you portray. "All we do is cover weakness," for fear!
And I'm certain that you shall continue to be that ignorant, in denial!
Spoken like a true therapized.
Funny how you cling to those things that you believe you know, when you don't. I've never been in therapy, though I have picked the brains of psychologists, psychology courses at university, and psychology books. But then you shall characterize it however it serves your purpose, almost always condescendingly.
It's why you try and use education as a weapon, ...
I don't mention it at all unless asked.
Godfree did not ask. Yet you still don't understand my point on this matter. I'm saying that the way you "use" your education is to FIGHT! NOT teach! You use it as a weapon to defend your "self" more than you use it to enlighten others. There are those here that obviously use their education to help others, they tend to be somewhat selfless. Ginkgo comes to mind, as one of the greats! There are others whose dialog of relative degrees, displays nurturing of other psyches versus defense of their own psyche. 'Obviously' for you, largely education is a weapon.
why you pursued it in the first place, ...
I pursued it in the first place as I was an uneducated adult who was living in a time of recession and needed a bit of paper to get past the first round of employment vetting, that and that it was also the last time one could get an free education in this country. That I fell in love with the only subject that would take me was just a bonus.
Even that is combative, to get a job, to feed yourself, to stay alive, are you kidding me? You use it as a weapon! When the college counselors asked me what I wanted to major in I said, "Good question, I'm not sure." They then asked, "What career do you plan to pursue?" To which I replied, "I'm not attending college for the sake of making money, I'm here to learn of the world, to find the truth of things, (I had been thinking of philosophy though.)" So they said, "Then you should start with a degree in 'general studies' until you become more focused." I said, "that sounds great, sign me up." The only thing that matters to me is the truth of things, fuck everything else, I absolutely hate lies and liars. So I piss people off! Feelings aren't as important as the truth. And they usually take it personally. That's their problem, because the truth shall actually set them free, if they take it to heart.
why you tried to reprogram yourself with NLP, some serious denial. ...
Didn't try, just went and learnt how it works and how to apply it but the nice thing about NLP is you don't have to use it if you don't want. You should try it sometime as the partial therapy you've obviously received appears to have not worked at all but then you are probably a slight psychopath as they tend to never complete their therapy but clothe themselves in it, it's called denial.
I have your child, your 'slight psychopath' hanging. In truth your assessment of my psyche couldn't be less informed. It's ran by pure logic. The difference between me and others here is that they care more about friendship and getting along than the truth, I only care about truth, fuck peoples feelings! In that way I'm extremely honest. I can't be bought or sold because of my extreme allegiance to truth, fuck everything else, it doesn't matter. Only truth matters. So no NLP for me. My solution has been to understand the why of my psyche as well as everyone else's; the reasoning, I have in the past, am currently and will, employ to address human life's situations.
In your nightmares, you run from yourself! ...
I rarely have nightmares, sleep the sleep of the just me.
Seemingly missed my point.
It's probably why you were mugged! 
Given I was born and raised in one of the largest and oldest capitals in the world I think I've done pretty well on this account and the one time I didn't was because I was pissed and stoned and not paying the proper attention at two in the morning after a party in the equivalent of your Harlem. Luckily luck was upon my side that time.
My point was that I bet the way you carry yourself exudes arrogance, just asking to be humbled.
I don't even know what to say -- this concept just made me smile.