The Absolute Impossibility of Nothingness - ever

[Dontaskme]

The big-bang is not what you think it is....what is meant by the original big-bang is the birth of opposites within seamless infinity. ...

Is it? I thought it just a hypothesis from Cosmology based upon the discoveries of the CMB and that all the galaxies are apparently receding from us no matter where we look, with the hypothesis being that it all must have started from a point. No idea what this 'seamless infinity' infinity is?

Yes, and that point is the perceiver, when an object is seen which is never separate from the perceiver, the thought of the object arises giving the illusion of an object over there separate from over here where the perceiver is standing. Every time you observe an object you are creating what science calls the big bang, you are collapsing the wave function into a particle. The subject is inseparable from the object, they are one. The wave particle relationship aka duality is how ''oneness'' or the ''seer'' makes sense of it's reality in order to function sanely in the world.
The world only appears to itself via this inference.

The reference point of any observer would always be centre, say you are standing on a spot and turn round in a complete circle, everything observed at this spot will appear to stay the same, but as soon as you walk forward your reference point of observation changes to a linear fashion where everything behind you is receding and everything in front of you seems to be coming towards you. But if there is just everything everywhere then nothing is actually moving because there is no where for anything to go. The thing about the point of observation is that it creates a duality of here and there. This is the illusion, since the point of observation will always be dead centre while the circumference is everywhere meaning there is no boundary where the seer and the seen meet up at the same point. Try walking toward the horizon to see if you can meet up with it, the further you walk towards it, the more it recedes, even though your senses are telling you it is coming towards you because you are passing objects along the way, the objects are coming towards you and at the same time are moving away from you. But your point of reference never moves, only the objects move, and what's more intriguing is the observer and observed are actually one unitary movement, or action.So in truth nothing is moving.

When Einstein said the world is an illusion albeit a persistent one, he was actually correct. But the word illusion is not what you think it is, it doesn't mean nothing exists, it means separation doesn't exist, separation is an optical and auditory illusion of the senses.


The horizon can never be crossed...no matter how far your point of observation moves forward, because as your point of observation moves so does the world around you move at the same time, and this can go on and on infinitely without ever reaching a so called boundary...there is no edge of infinity...so what appears to be receding as you walk forward is actually coming towards you at the same time, it's an illusion since nothing is actually moving since the reference point is always dead centre. In this sense only your body is moving not your sense of seeing, seeing or perception is everywhere at once. Where ever you go there you are.


Another example is the wheel; notice the hub of the wheel never moves, while the spokes appear to circle round in one direction and sometimes it will seem as if they are moving in the opposite direction to where they are going.

This is what infinity mean, it means vast boundless space without boundary, it means total stillness ...so nowhere for anything to go, there's just here right now, now here, everywhere and nowhere. Matter is 99.9% empty space vibrating at certain frequencies according to their accumulative mass, the denser the mass the denser the vibration. Light being the less dense hence the saying speed of light...everything is light everywhere at once. Matter is like frozen light...we could call this dark matter....I could go on and on discussing this forever, but I hope you get the general gist ...







When nothing is being everything... No idea what this means?

It means, if there is just everything everywhere, then there's just infinity expressing itself infinitely, possibility is vast without boundary. Expression arises as the mind, the mind is nothing, since no one has ever seen a mind or touched one, or felt one..you get my drift...and yet from this unseen what ever you want to call it mind... a whole plethora of thoughts arise, and thoughts which are not a thing become things, there is not one thing that is not a thought. So this is how no thing is being everything. And is why nothing is everything..and everything is nothing.

You cannot know or experience infinity because you are it experiencing itself subjectively. There are no things in reality, reality is a verb, a thing is a noun relative to itself.

[SpheresOfBalance]

Exactly, now you're finally beginning to understand. Or do you? You're working backwards from something, I said "IF" there was nothing, then..."

Okay, so we agree, there is no such thing as 'nothing' in the sense that people think there could have been nothing once.
Not really, because we can only speak of our universe, whatever that might be. I won't commit to anything we cannot know at this time. For our universe, yeah, as long as you have always believed so, we have always tended to agree.

Wrong, Infinity as far as astrophysics is concerned is infinite in both directions in time.

Then you better tell those astrophysicists that they ought to stop talking about the big-bang. for myself I care little about what they say, as if they say you cannot have something with a start that goes on for infinity then they need to revisit their number-line.
The latest in astrophysics has turned many into god fearing scientists. Because they cannot face the something from nothing paradox, at least so said one of them on a documentary I saw a couple years ago.

No, you are a fool of the first order! You can't escape your limiting bias.

You are an idiot as you can never see that what you complain about in others is exactly what you do.
No, you're an idiot to assume I've ever excluded myself. I have always spoke of humans! You and I are in fact humans! It's common for idiots to not be capable of including themselves as flawed when noting human flaws. That's your problem not mine. You seem an elitist, your bit "ones meaning is contained in the response 'you' provide," and that you could abuse Godfee, because of your credentials, your sarcastic emoticons, your forever need to condescend others, all evidence that you believe you are superior, not a human. You're just as fucked up as all the rest. But that I rub your face in it, you can't stand, the reason for all your nastiness. Up to this point in your life, a stranger looks back at you in your mirror. And I'm certain that you shall continue to be that ignorant, in denial! It's why you try and use education as a weapon, why you pursued it in the first place, why you tried to reprogram yourself with NLP, some serious denial. In your nightmares, you run from yourself! It's probably why you were mugged!

[SpheresOfBalance]

If in the beginning there was nothing, there could never be anything,

If a state of nothingness is unalterable how can it preclude everything?

I remember similar conversations on the other forum. The idea is that The Void is not bound by any limitations and therefore has infinite potential to produce anything. Yet what could it produce that would not be immediately subsumed by the nothingness - on a reality that grows faster than the nothingness can consume it, presumably - at least for a while.

It's basically another cyclic idea - a nothing/something loop. In a way, it's not miles from Penrose's idea*, just it has a conceptual problem - "nothing" is never quite nothing.

The "big freeze"* is portrayed as a model of total decay into nothingness. According to the first law of thermodynamics, however, all the energy of today's universe (and the formative universe, for that matter) will always be present. The place won't empty out, just that the subatomic particles will be too distant to organise. The first law suggests that something has always existed and always will.

Nothing personal Greta, but this reasoning, I see as originating from minds not capable of fathoming "nothing." In other words, that fact that "something" tries to contemplate "nothing" contaminates the logic, which is also something.

Actually, even though you and others seem to ignore it, something forever, ad infinitum is just as perplexing as nothing. So My words still sand "IF" there was nothing, nothing would eternally be, as nothing cannot generate something. Only something can do that.

I can imagine nothing, and it hurts my head to do so, as I just can't quite see it, because it's nothing. Likewise, my head hurts in exactly the same way, when I contemplate space/time or anything else as if it's forever, ad infinitum, because I just can't visualize that either. Neither one seems possible. Which is why many astrophysicists have turned to god as the originator of the big bang. They just can't see something from nothing or something eternal. Both possibilities baffle them, an end to their reasoning.

My bottom line is that it appears that what we perceive as "nothing" is not empty, just empty of whatever we can perceive.

Yes, infinity is as unimaginable as nothing, but the alternative to infinite reality seems impossible. A bounded universe? Bounded within what?

The mere existence of something renders the concept of nothingness relative. In truth, parts of reality are simply more densely packed than others - "something" is everywhere. The "thinned out" parts are what we call "nothing".

I can see that your and my definitions of nothing are completely different. I mean, I understand your meaning. e.g., I can open my clenched fist, palm up, and say I have nothing in my hand. And while it's true that no one present can see anything, there are many things on/in/immediately above my hand. That is the common meaning of nothing. I mean no universe, no matter, no antimatter, no anything. I see that it's just as possible as something, i.e., our current universe, and all that it contains/is comprised of.

[SpheresOfBalance]

Greta. You raise one of the more ludicrous metaphysical conundrums highlighted by the notion of an "expanding space" which bounds our universe. The notion of expansion is exclusively a spatial one so to ask the question "Into what is the universe expanding?" is a perfectly valid one. It can't be expanding into nothing because nothing does not exist so is space then expanding into another space? If so what is the origin of this unobservable space?

We may never know, surely not now, yet some profess to know. Right Leo?

[Arising_uk]

Not really, because we can only speak of our universe, whatever that might be. I won't commit to anything we cannot know at this time. For our universe, yeah, as long as you have always believed so, we have always tended to agree.

You are nearly incomprehensible in your speech. So do you agree or not that ''nothing' cannot exist in this or any universe because if it did exist it would not be nothing?

The latest in astrophysics has turned many into god fearing scientists. ...

Has it bollocks.

Because they cannot face the something from nothing paradox, at least so said one of them on a documentary I saw a couple years ago.

He needs to do some Philosophy then as the question upon the scientists lips should be 'Why this something rather than another something?' and by-and-large that is what they ask and answer.

No, you're an idiot to assume I've ever excluded myself. ...

Like I say, you are an idiot then.

I have always spoke of humans! ...

This is your problem, as you think you speak for all.

You and I are in fact humans!

What does that even mean!?

It's common for idiots to not be capable of including themselves as flawed when noting human flaws. That's your problem not mine.

And yet I tend not to note flaws, that's your issue. I tend to question errors in logic and reasoning.

You seem an elitist, ...

And you seem the usual Yank who has an inferiority issues with edumecashun.

your bit "ones meaning is contained in the response 'you' provide," ...

I thank you for bringing this up yet again as it allows me to correct your misapprehension about how language works, so yes, if one uses language to communicate what one means then the response one gets is the meaning that was received, like it or not, if that response does not appear to be the one wanted from the words one use to express what one meant then one ought to pay close attention to them and if one wishes to still communicate that meaning then one should try some different words. Got it yet?

and that you could abuse Godfee, ...

You know Godfree once thanked me for my honest and frank conversations with him don't you?

I did not 'abuse' him, I questioned what he said philosophically and he asked my what gave me the right to say such things so I told him.

because of your credentials, your sarcastic emoticons, your forever need to condescend others, all evidence that you believe you are superior, not a human. ...

When it comes to the subject of Philosophy I am superior to many and that is because I've bothered to read some and most upon interweeb philosophy forums quite apparently haven't.

You're just as fucked up as all the rest.

No, I'm more fucked-up than some and less so than others, no just about it, but this is just your issue as you wish others to be as fucked-up as you.

But that I rub your face in it, you can't stand, the reason for all your nastiness. ...

You live a life of delusion if you think you bother me at all. Not least because I can just look at your posts and compare them with mine and there is no comparison to the tone you engender.

Up to this point in your life, a stranger looks back at you in your mirror. ...

Don't know about you but when I look in a mirror I see myself.

And I'm certain that you shall continue to be that ignorant, in denial!

Spoken like a true therapized.

It's why you try and use education as a weapon, ...

I don't mention it at all unless asked.

why you pursued it in the first place, ...

I pursued it in the first place as I was an uneducated adult who was living in a time of recession and needed a bit of paper to get past the first round of employment vetting, that and that it was also the last time one could get an free education in this country. That I fell in love with the only subject that would take me was just a bonus.

why you tried to reprogram yourself with NLP, some serious denial. ...

Didn't try, just went and learnt how it works and how to apply it but the nice thing about NLP is you don't have to use it if you don't want. You should try it sometime as the partial therapy you've obviously received appears to have not worked at all but then you are probably a slight psychopath as they tend to never complete their therapy but clothe themselves in it, it's called denial.

In your nightmares, you run from yourself! ...

I rarely have nightmares, sleep the sleep of the just me.

It's probably why you were mugged!

Given I was born and raised in one of the largest and oldest capitals in the world I think I've done pretty well on this account and the one time I didn't was because I was pissed and stoned and not paying the proper attention at two in the morning after a party in the equivalent of your Harlem. Luckily luck was upon my side that time.

[Greta]

My bottom line is that it appears that what we perceive as "nothing" is not empty, just empty of whatever we can perceive.

Yes, infinity is as unimaginable as nothing, but the alternative to infinite reality seems impossible. A bounded universe? Bounded within what?

The mere existence of something renders the concept of nothingness relative. In truth, parts of reality are simply more densely packed than others - "something" is everywhere. The "thinned out" parts are what we call "nothing".

I can see that your and my definitions of nothing are completely different. I mean, I understand your meaning. e.g., I can open my clenched fist, palm up, and say I have nothing in my hand. And while it's true that no one present can see anything, there are many things on/in/immediately above my hand. That is the common meaning of nothing. I mean no universe, no matter, no antimatter, no anything. I see that it's just as possible as something, i.e., our current universe, and all that it contains/is comprised of.

Why would you think nothing is just as possible as something? You have ready evidence for something but, by definition, not for actual nothingness.

Perhaps there are voids where there is no matter or antimatter, but I doubt that would mean nothing at all is present. We are yet to find such a thing and no doubt there are exotic states of reality we don't understand yet. However, if there is absolute nothingness then that would be the universe by definition. In that case it would be universal nothingness, not that anyone would be around to care :)

Still, since we only know "something", it requires a leap of faith to embrace the void. Apparently a number of people who undergo near death experiences report a visit to "the void", a place of nothingness where they can more clearly examine whatever it is about themselves that they think they are supposed to understand. Or something like that; I add this para for interest only.

[Dontaskme]

Apparently a number of people who undergo near death experiences report a visit to "the void", a place of nothingness where they can more clearly examine whatever it is about themselves that they think they are supposed to understand. Or something like that; I add this para for interest only.

To examine what we think we need to improve about ourself sounds about right if a species as complicated as the human being is to evolve to even greater higher states of consciousness where we can realise our capacity and potential for unconditional love for each other as opposed to fighting and killing each other in wars...the fear of death and the sense of separation is what keeps us locked away from the truth that we are all but one consciousness experiencing itself infinitely....I guess this 3D realm of consciousness is just the beginning of how consciousness discovers itself, so it seems there is a long road ahead for travellers in this dimension which is just one of many other multi dimensions existing simultaneously here now.
One can escape the matrix here right now and still live in 3D so it's not like we have to wait for everybody else to catch up, it just means we are ready to move on to next level, but have to wait for the physical body to die, the mental body of 3D realm has already died, this is called awakening from the dream of 3D living.

The thing about the void is we visit it every night when we go to sleep. In deep dreamless sleep there is no world. Upon awakening in the morning the world reappears...we only remember the void of no world in deep sleep in relation to waking up to world. The truth is there is no real world ''out there'' it's all mental dreaming...or appearances coming and going.

Out of body near death experience is the same as leaving the body during sleep when we are having nightly dream....but we don't actually leave the body...because there is only consciousness or the mind, what happens is the mind wanders off, but because the mind is attached to the body the mind always thinks it's had an out of body experience, but the two are inseparable, in fact the body is just a mental projection, it doesn't exist as an entity per-se ...there is no person in a body, the body is in the mind.

So the mind being all there is can travel anywhere it wants through space, but the illusion is it doesn't actually go anywhere, like demonstrated in a nightly dream....this concludes that we are the void at all times, one side of the void is the appearance of living light, and the other side of the void is the still dead darkness...both these polarities are one and the same only differing in their appearance. So there is nothing alive and nothing dead, except as conceptual understanding via the language that has been imposed upon us by the external world of our separate illusory selves.

[Greta]

The thing about the void is we visit it every night when we go to sleep. In deep dreamless sleep there is no world. Upon awakening in the morning the world reappears...we only remember the void of no world in deep sleep in relation to waking up to world. The truth is there is no real world ''out there'' it's all mental dreaming...or appearances coming and going.

Is it really a void? There's still a lot going on in our brains - essential motor functions and repair. I see, not as a complete absence of consciousness but a significant shrinking of it to basic levels - to raw, blind consciousness without awareness or memory.

It's like the cosmos. It looks like nothing is there but closer examination finds teeming activity everywhere that is not close to absolute zero in temperature.

[Dontaskme]

The thing about the void is we visit it every night when we go to sleep. In deep dreamless sleep there is no world. Upon awakening in the morning the world reappears...we only remember the void of no world in deep sleep in relation to waking up to world. The truth is there is no real world ''out there'' it's all mental dreaming...or appearances coming and going.

Is it really a void? There's still a lot going on in our brains - essential motor functions and repair. I see, not as a complete absence of consciousness but a significant shrinking of it to basic levels - to raw, blind consciousness without awareness or memory.

It's like the cosmos. It looks like nothing is there but closer examination finds teeming activity everywhere that is not close to absolute zero in temperature.

Hi Greta, I've done loads of research on the subject of mind and consciousness. It seem there is nothing outside the human brain. What we think is out there is a projection of information that the brain downloads from the unified field. Out there....is actually dark.. not light as you believe, the unified field is in a state of superposition of every possible outcome you can imagine to happen.....the space around you is wavy, and only the act of observation creates a living picture. ...the brain acts like the hard-drive in a computer, it is constantly downloading information from the void. When the brain has processed the incoming data it then transmits it into the living pictures you see as a world of colour. Colour and not light, as light has never been seen, it is only known in relation to it's projection as colour is seen, colour is actually lights shadow. Everything is basically light, but light just like the eye cannot see itself except as projected image or mirage...

The concept of Nothingness is misunderstood, some are talking about it as if it is an actual thing to be known....The thing is...It takes nothing to have something. You wouldn't know something without nothing. You wouldn't know what the form is, without the background space. So the void is basically space, it's both the mind and the contents of mind. Everything seen in the sky is inside your brain not actually out there.

In the same way living pictures appear on a tv set or a cinema screen, or music plays out of a radio. There is no music in the radio and no pictures on the tv screen, theses are waves of information picked up from the unified field and transmitted via the radio's or tv's antenna into living picture, sound and vision etc...

Reality..of both a material and non-material aka the mind/body mechanism... is just one big gigantic cosmic internet.....the images seen are the programmes that consciousness mind has written via ideas. An idea arises from the void and transforms it self into a particular form according to the idea. The mind can be programmed into believing reality is real, when it is in fact just a programmed computer game like the ones we play on playstation 4

If we are smart enough to realise this is how reality works, we won't get so hung up about stuff we don't like.

There are violent games on the playstation, but we don't mind getting killed or killing because we know it's not real, and that's the same with how reality works, when we know it's not real we can enjoy it more...... if we don't like the programme we are living in right now we can always change it to one we do like...if everyone knew about this then it would be game over for this reality and is why it carries on because we like playing the game...some people have no idea that life is just a simulation, and so are easy to manipulate influence control and programme, sadly that's why we have to wake up fast to the true nature of our being, before we are so lost in the programme that our subconscious programming nightmares are all going to come true...think hunger games for example...also worth researching is the idea of predictive programming.

Everything is designed to wake up humanity to the truth...which is very good news by the way...it just doesn't seem like it at the time you are going through an awakening...Life is but a dream,.

This is not just a load of woo....it is the truth, and you have to look into it very deeply to see what I'm saying, I've been studying the nature of reality for years and years...you will find same information in so many youtube videos and personal blogs etc etc...on the internet saying the exact same thing.

[Lacewing]

...if we don't like the programme we are living in right now we can always change it to one we do like...if everyone knew about this then it would be game over for this reality and is why it carries on because we like playing the game...some people have no idea that life is just a simulation, and so are easy to manipulate influence control and programme, sadly that's why we have to wake up fast to the true nature of our being, before we are so lost in the programme that our subconscious programming nightmares are all going to come true...

Everything is designed to wake up humanity to the truth...which is very good news by the way...it just doesn't seem like it at the time you are going through an awakening...Life is but a dream,.

I tend to think along these lines too... and I enjoyed the way you described it.

Here are some questions: Why would everything be designed to wake up humanity to the truth, if such a truth would dissolve the dream... and isn't the dream the whole platform of experience... and isn't experience the point? Is there anything other than the dream/experience of infinite creation and possibilities? Might we all be feelers of the unified field (or whatever), and some of the feelers are probing the experience of nightmares... while others are probing bliss? And believing in it thoroughly is essential for the feelers to get the full experience. As soon as we don't believe in it, it stops -OR- at any point, any feeler can "up" its game from the dungeons to the clouds, which might lead to more traps as part of the adventure. So (perhaps) we're here to explore and see what we can do with it, and report back to the unified field... which might continually expand the possibilities?

[Dontaskme]

nk along these lines too... and I enjoyed the way you described it.

Here are some questions: Why would everything be designed to wake up humanity to the truth, if such a truth would dissolve the dream... and isn't the dream the whole platform of experience... and isn't experience the point? Is there anything other than the dream/experience of infinite creation and possibilities? Might we all be feelers of the unified field (or whatever), and some of the feelers are probing the experience of nightmares... while others are probing bliss? And believing in it thoroughly is essential for the feelers to get the full experience. As soon as we don't believe in it, it stops -OR- at any point, any feeler can "up" its game from the dungeons to the clouds, which might lead to more traps as part of the adventure. So (perhaps) we're here to explore and see what we can do with it, and report back to the unified field... which might continually expand the possibilities?

Thanks, I agree and understand what you've said.

The collective consciousness is infinity expressing itself infinitely...this will continue and who knows when it will end..

On an individual level of consciousness the awakening is advantageous in the sense it becomes lucid in it's own dream and knowing how the game is played they can either exit the programme and do their own thing without fear; or,they can challenge the consensus belief structures of the masses and have the insight to know they can actually think for them self and not be swayed by the obvious brainwashing that goes on in society...the thing about the matrix is to control a mass number of people from thinking for them self...they can take all your possessions, your house, your car, your job, your children, your clothes furniture... but they can never take your capacity to think for yourself....they can't take your own awakening from you.

The way oneness can experience itself is to separate, and part of the fun in that is to be lost for awhile in a world of hell, only to find itself again and be in nirvana. I don't think the game will ever end...since no one is ever harmed in the game of ego separate self ...once we realise what's going on, the whole dynamic changes from fear to love...it's still up to us as consciousness to pull the plug on the simulation if that is what we so desire in the collective sense.

[Lacewing]

The collective consciousness is infinity expressing itself infinitely...this will continue and who knows when it will end..

On an individual level of consciousness the awakening is advantageous in the sense it becomes lucid in it's own dream...

Makes sense to me! To have fun dreaming ON!

I very much feel the desire to be lucid in this dream, and accept it as such. Even in my nightly dreams, I am doing a lot of things the way I want them to go... and if I don't like them, I replay them. Yet, it has nothing to do with manipulating others or elevating myself. It is simply: "Here's another, potentially better, way to do it." And it's guided by a desire for harmony, peace, love, and connection.

Being more lucid in this life-dream is FASCINATING! Many of us have gotten such glimpses (seemingly). A sudden single drop of realization can evaporate an ocean of fear and judgment and confusion and desire... making all clear and acceptable and beautiful JUST AS IT IS. There doesn't NEED to be a destination. The continual unfolding on countless levels IS the point, and offers more potential and fulfillment than anyone might imagine. It can seem challenging to maintain such a glimpse amidst the feverish conditions of the larger dream we're a part of (?), but experiencing such a glimpse AT ALL offers an idea of what else there is that could be more widely realized and experienced. WOW!

the thing about the matrix is to control a mass number of people from thinking for them self...

The matrix is just one more component of dream possibility, right?... just one more experience... and there could be many many such convoluted, condensed, intoxicated formulations of widespread hypnosis/dreaming... but it's still being constructed from the infinite field. I'm saying this in an effort to maintain my own perspective that all judgments (of good and bad) are confined to our realm, and from a broader view, the matrix is just one more fantastic creation of possibility. Perhaps not the one that some of us want to participate in or experience, but somehow maybe it provides a springboard for what we DO want to create and experience.

The way oneness can experience itself is to separate, and part of the fun in that is to be lost for awhile in a world of hell, only to find itself again and be in nirvana.

Yes! In this physical/dream form, and at this time, I am doing my best to contribute an amazing ride for myself and the oneness. Whenever I worry that I'm not seeing enough or doing enough, my dear friend Michael says: "You can't get this wrong" -and- "What ELSE are we supposed to do with eternity?"

So, I'm going to ask you, Dontaskme, ... seeing/thinking as you do, how does life feel to you... and what are your visions (if any) for experiencing more?

[Greta]

Dontaskme, it's a long post so I'll respond in parts.

Hi Greta, I've done loads of research on the subject of mind and consciousness. It seem there is nothing outside the human brain. What we think is out there is a projection of information that the brain downloads from the unified field. Out there....is actually dark.. not light as you believe, the unified field is in a state of superposition of every possible outcome you can imagine to happen.....the space around you is wavy, and only the act of observation creates a living picture. ...the brain acts like the hard-drive in a computer, it is constantly downloading information from the void.

Enjoying until the last statement. You can't download information from that which has none. Nothingness by definition has no information. It would be like downloading data from a blank disc.

While we all love the philosopher's standard magic trick - "Voila! There is actually nothing there!" - like any other magic trick, it's not actually true. "Out there" is both dark and light, depending on your sensory apparatus. Vision is also available via echolocation. The noumena are there, just that our perceptions of them are particular to our species.

With respect, your extrapolations seem to be overly focused on vision. Obviously our experiences go far beyond just pictures in our heads, with our entire being vibrating with its inner workings based in the input from outside sources. We are not just observers but part of the fabric.

For another perspective on our perceptions and the reality we perceive, consider deaf percussionist Evelyn Glennie who not only decipher music but gaining intense visceral pleasure from it via the vibrations she feels in her body as she plays (always in bare feet). We are vibrations and audible sounds, sensing and absorbing chemicals, deciphering light and turning it all into information, sensations and energy/work.

Everything is basically light, but light just like the eye cannot see itself except as projected image or mirage...

You could say everything is EM, except for the parts of reality that are not, eg. gravity, time and nuclear forces.

The concept of Nothingness is misunderstood, some are talking about it as if it is an actual thing to be known....The thing is...It takes nothing to have something. You wouldn't know something without nothing. You wouldn't know what the form is, without the background space. So the void is basically space, it's both the mind and the contents of mind. Everything seen in the sky is inside your brain not actually out there.

Space is relative. There is no actual space between us, it's air. If you like illusions, the something/nothing duality is a genuine illusion based on the fact that more densely packed parts of reality can move through less dense parts. By the same token an asteroid is capable of passing through you as though you were space.

In the same way living pictures appear on a tv set or a cinema screen, or music plays out of a radio. There is no music in the radio and no pictures on the tv screen, theses are waves of information picked up from the unified field and transmitted via the radio's or tv's antenna into living picture, sound and vision etc...

I like the brain-as-receiver model but we are not picking up the non existent transmissions from the non existent void. We are receiving and processing tiny bands of the vast amounts of information around and within us.

Reality..of both a material and non-material aka the mind/body mechanism... is just one big gigantic cosmic internet.....the images seen are the programmes that consciousness mind has written via ideas. An idea arises from the void and transforms it self into a particular form according to the idea. The mind can be programmed into believing reality is real, when it is in fact just a programmed computer game like the ones we play on playstation 4

I tend to see reality as an array of networks running through each other too, but the ideas are not coming from any void. Basically you are saying we are downloading information from some grand black box, which you posit to be the void, but others call "God". I noticed your mention of "unified field"; is the void you are referring to synonymous with the base of reality in John Hagelin's unified field model?

...some people have no idea that life is just a simulation, and so are easy to manipulate influence control and programme, sadly that's why we have to wake up fast to the true nature of our being, before we are so lost in the programme that our subconscious programming nightmares are all going to come true...think hunger games for example...also worth researching is the idea of predictive programming.

Everything is designed to wake up humanity to the truth...which is very good news by the way...it just doesn't seem like it at the time you are going through an awakening...Life is but a dream,.

This is not just a load of woo....it is the truth, and you have to look into it very deeply to see what I'm saying, I've been studying the nature of reality for years and years...you will find same information in so many youtube videos and personal blogs etc etc...on the internet saying the exact same thing.

Yep, you sound like a Hagelin fan :)

Can you provide examples of what humanity will do upon waking up beyond just positive thinking, creative visualisation and calming meditation? Something beyond those standard mental tools?

What do you mean by "a simulation"? Are you referring to the holographic principle or a giant alien game played on a supracosmic hard drive? :)

[Obvious Leo]

Greta. The simulation idea is an interesting one, not because reality is a simulation but because in physics we model it as if it were. This is the dualist flaw we owe to Descartes and Newton who placed the observer of reality in the god's-eye referential frame external to his observation. In the process model of reality which we clearly seem to share this is a bullshit narrative because we can only ever observe the world from the inside looking out and NEVER from the outside looking in. This has profound metaphysical consequences because when we observe the world from the inside looking out what we're actually doing is looking BACKWARDS down the arrow of time at a reality which no longer exists. This is the simulation which physics is modelling.

[Greta]

This has profound metaphysical consequences because when we observe the world from the inside looking out what we're actually doing is looking BACKWARDS down the arrow of time at a reality which no longer exists. This is the simulation which physics is modelling.

On Earth the reality we observe immediately precedes the present so we temporally get a fairly good view of reality, though less finely perceived than the reality small organisms perceive via their high speed perceptual equipment. On cosmic scales the situation is different and what we see can be a long time in the past. As Carl Sagan and NDGT said in Cosmos, when we look into the night sky we see the ghosts of stars that no longer exist.