THE LIMITS OF PHILOSOPHICAL KNOWLEDGE

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UniversalAlien wrote:Lacewing wrote:........
NOTHING for the sake of argument - A very Human trait
Ah yes, and here we go... where you ignore my very valid questions and criticize the limitations of HUMANS again. :D Can't you see that you are offended by that which you are doing to others? There is nothing wrong with me questioning a messenger who claims to have awareness that others "beneath" him do not. This is such a common theme of people who cast themselves in these positions... of telling mankind who they are and how it is. You are doing this... and I'm pointing it out to see if you can address it. That would give you more credibility (for my way of thinking).

I am very open-minded, UA... but I do not believe a claim just because someone says it. I point out patterns and inconsistencies and separatism. Those are valid issues to consider and discuss. I KNOW that human minds are limited... I talk about it all the time... but I do not claim that there is some singular ultimate reality, nor that I have the ultimate answers, nor that I have awareness that other humans don't. I recognize that I am within the limitations too. We humans need more love than condemnation. Who is going to give it to us if we don't do it for ourselves? Are we just going to destroy ourselves with our self-loathing?

Human minds are naturally limited in what they perceive, and many humans feel more comfortable and safe shrinking reality down to those limits. But there are also many humans who acknowledge that there is much much more than we can ever fathom... and we remain open to expanding into it as best as we can and at whatever pace we can cope with.

To me, you seem like you are down on humans and want to somehow separate yourself from it. Why is it not reasonable for me to conclude that based on what you've said? If I've misunderstood, please explain.

Honestly, UA, I think you and I are more alike than you might think I think. :D My mind stretches very far afield from the normal playground. I believe there are all sorts of energies and "beings" that we are generally unable to perceive... and I've encountered some of them. Yet, I accept that I am HERE... with very limited perception for the most part. I'm just very aware of when people start to take positions "above it all"... which is very easy and tempting to do... and I think that potentially becomes an even more dangerous and blind position than accepting that we are amidst madness. We can be amidst madness and remain somewhat clear, but if we choose another "role" for ourselves, we join the madness. Nothing wrong with that, I guess. I just feel compelled to point out that's what it is... from my perspective. :) What we resist persists... and in some cases, it completely overtakes us!

Too many people are claiming to have ultimate answers. I would think that would STOP more people from doing so... like, it would go out of style or something... or like we'd recognize how foolish ALL of that is... but it never seems to end. Why aren't we asking more questions rather than incessantly claiming to have answers? Why aren't we loving humans more than condemning them?

I think that any human, alien, god, or otherwise who doesn't love and understand and accept all as it is, is not truly superior or advanced in any significant way -- and I tell them that when they show up in my dreams. :)
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You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist."-
- Friedrich Nietzsche


"Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster.
And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you."
-Friedrich Nietzsche


"There are no facts, only interpretations."-
Friedrich Nietzsche


"One must still have chaos in oneself to be able to give birth to a dancing star."-
Friedrich Nietzsche


“And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music.”
― Friedrich Nietzsche


“Every deep thinker is more afraid of being understood than of being misunderstood.”
― Friedrich Nietzsche


“I would believe only in a God that knows how to dance.”
― Friedrich Nietzsche
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You see when you start contemplating "THE LIMITS OF PHILOSOPHICAL KNOWLEDGE" you have to ask yourself what is
philosophical knowledge and does it have any limits :?:

You could write a book on the subject - But would you achieve anything? Could you really establish what philosophical knowledge is and then set up its limits? I don't think so - Would be like trying to establish what the universe is and then
giving it limits.

So do you give up? - I do not - I face a relentless future that will not be denied - A universe without an edge
And use a mind that can not accept limits driving into a future that also has no limits.



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UniversalAlien wrote: So do you give up? - I do not -
And it hasn't gone unnoticed, I assure you.
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Harbal, you're back!! Feeling fully back to yourself again, I hope!

UniversalAlien... it's always nice to hear someone's own words, but I do appreciate and agree with all of the quotes you posted a few posts ago. We're not so different. As for "giving up"... I can't imagine such a thing. :D
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Lacewing wrote:Harbal, you're back!! Feeling fully back to yourself again, I hope!
Yes and, as you can see, I've extended the limits of my avatar.
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“The world as we have created it is a process of our thinking. It cannot be changed without changing our thinking.”
- Albert Einstein


And to what extent can our thinking change the world :?:

Can I think that Einstein is wrong and the speed of light is not the top limit of speed ? Can I see a universe where the speed of light is not the fastest speed possible? Einstein's theories, which have become the accepted standard of modern physics,
do not allow for the existence of anything that can go faster than the speed of light - What if one day someone develops a theory of the universe which allows the speed of light to be exceeded - and proves it logical, even shows us the math,
are we then existing in another universe, have we created another world :?:





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Harbal wrote:I've extended the limits of my avatar.
He's looking the other way now! Clearly nothing escapes his view.
UniversalAlien wrote:What if one day someone develops a theory of the universe which allows the speed of light to be exceeded - and proves it logical, even shows us the math, are we then existing in another universe, have we created another world :?:
I think about this sort of stuff. Throughout our known history, our known boundaries keep expanding. We don't usually think of these as whole new worlds... we just grow, adapt, and move on. One of my favorite imaginings is to imagine my energy vibrating in such a way (which I've had brief experiences with) as to shift my reality to a clearer frequency... which essentially feels like living a new kind of life in a new world. After all, what creates so much of our experience/world?... our attitudes and the way we think. Two people can be in the same space, and one might be experiencing heaven, while the other experiences hell. I don't think it's all about the physical space... it's how we vibrate in it too. Based on that, we could say there are countless worlds to experience... and many, many, many of them can be had right here on this planet. (This planet is like a cosmic stage perhaps... for materializing on and playing out.) We don't even know what worlds lay beyond this physical one as we know it. Might it be possible (beyond our current understanding) that vibrations transform space?! It does seem that the more we thrash around with certain elements and dynamics, the more those solidify and define the boundaries of our world. Which is why I think I need to take a break from this forum. 8)
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Lacewing wrote: He's looking the other way now! Clearly nothing escapes his view.
Well spotted, clearly nothing escapes your view either. I inverted it on Arising_uk's suggestion, he seemed to think the active eye should be facing (or should it be eyeing?) the text.
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And how does science relate to 'philosophical knowledge' :?: Isn't science also a form of philosophy :?:
Are there any limits to scientific inquiry :?: Does science need philosophy or does philosophy need science :?:

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I found most interesting the mentioning, from scientists, the real possibility of the existence of parallell universes :idea:

We may yet find a way to return to the 'home planet' :!:

“You say, it's dark. And in truth, I did place a cloud before your sun. But do you not see how the edges of the cloud are already glowing and turning light.”
― Friedrich Nietzsche



"Operation New Dawn - The Beginning of the Future......." :arrow: :idea:



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And just what are the THE LIMITS OF YOUR PHILOSOPHICAL KNOWLEDGE Human :?:

Tell us about it - You see we need you - We need you to tell us that our biological experiment has succeeded.

We stand at the edge of a universe that is about to implode - The force of the Big Bang has reached its end
and only YOU HUMAN can prevent the inevitable end of your world - We need you Human now.

We know about Relativity and Quantum Mechanics but it is not enough - These theories will not stop the inevitable implosion of our universe - We need you to go one step further - Put on your philosopher's hat and think - Tell us how to expand time and space - Tell us how to drive into the future......

THE LIMITS OF PHILOSOPHICAL KNOWLEDGE are at the end of the world - Tell us Human that you will not accept this end :!:



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