False Flag

[Pluto]

Should the people look out for them in our own time. Is it the business of the people if state actors commit false flags. In past history they have occurred. If they happened now, is it any of the people's business to look into it and reveal the truth of the matter as such. Or should the people let power do what it wants or must.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag

[JSS]

If you are a socialist or communist, you are the property of your state, so what you want and what you do is entirely their responsibility. If you prefer democracy and/or capitalism (actual, not the modern pretense), you must have truth so that your decisions can be sensible. Fraud is an important issue to democracy and enterprise. So in a democratic society, free from elitist ownership, false flags are the Devil (and scripturally as well).

[Hobbes' Choice]

If you are a socialist or communist, you are the property of your state,.

No if you are a socialist you are the state. In capitalism you have to buy your place in it.

[JSS]

Ownership is about who is making the decisions, controlling what others can or cannot do, the "Godwannabe" elites. Socialism is very specifically ordered so that decisions are made by the designated elites, NOT the ewe. Socialism is merely a monarchy with a divided mind, a pyramid of power.

Ewe have nothing to say about what a socialist state does. Thus false flags are used to motivate you in the direction they choose. Deception is required in socialist states. It isn't an option. Thus socialist states have an "official state secret" category, not acceptable in a democratic or constitutional society.

[JSS]

A false flag is a category of hypnotism (the art of slipping influence under the radar of awareness). It inherently removes free will decision making from the populous being manipulated by it (hence all of the anti-free will promotion lately).

A hypnotized person doesn't belong to himself. He is "possessed", to use an older term. He does as directed by the outer influence. Modern media considers it to be their domain and responsibility to hypnotize in accord with the higher UN socialist order, the "politically correct". Hypnotism, information control, is one of the three seeds of their power.

As long as the populous is being hypnotized through false flag media broadcasts (slyly dictating who to blame and who to credit for all things), the populous can never know whether their governance is good or evil, favoring their lives, or disfavoring. To the hypnotized, no urge to act can be trusted as being genuine, No belief can be accepted as valid. And whether one is hypnotized is itself indeterminate. To the hypnotized, there is a valid excuse for everything, even when there isn't.

The USA, as a nation, is hypnotized - possessed and controlled by foreign manipulators. USA citizens no longer own their country and actually have nothing to say about what laws are to govern them. They are a crop, short lived vegetative producers of fruit for others. They fight, suffer, and die at the bequest of false flag deceptions and nothing more.



Socialists use Strawman Capitalism as its false flag scapegoat.

[Pluto]

If elected government and their agents commit false flag event to continue power, is it our duty to pull them up about it as 'the people'?

[Pluto]

What is the role of the people when faced with state false flag.

[bobevenson]

Is it time for Americans
To cut through the haze
Of a dreary national government
Gloomier than the weather?
Can one State among our fifty
Rekindle the spirit that set us free?
Will we salute a bold new flag,
A great white star on a field of red?
Or will the yellow star of Vietnam
Confuse us on a cloudy day.

[JSS]

What is the role of the people when faced with state false flag.

As I said, that depends on which kind of state you live under, socialist/communist or democratic/constitutional.

As a socialist, it isn't up to you to speak against anything that your governance does.

As a constitutionalist, democratic and/or republic, you must prevent public deception.

[Pluto]

In theory it is believed that we live under democratic rule. Whether we do or not, the belief remains so far, therefore it is down to the people, to speak out when their government carries out what could be called, crimes against democracy. State terror is real and happening in our time, the question is how to react. How does one speak of the unspeakable. The public today are possibly unbeknownst complicit in the crimes of power.

It is as though a friend destroys others and not you directly, as you presume you gain from the carnage. The friend of the bully is no friend at all. To redeem the idea of the public as a force of, no. The public is in disarray. Disjointed. A book of the history of 'the public' would be helpful. What has it been over time, and what can it become in the not too distant future. A Short History of The Public.

[Pluto]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Phantom_Public

http://my.ilstu.edu/~jkshapi/Lippmann%20Phantom.pdf

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YY_TrIZpAY0

[Hobbes' Choice]

Ownership is about who is making the decisions, controlling what others can or cannot do, the "Godwannabe" elites. Socialism is very specifically ordered so that decisions are made by the designated elites, NOT the ewe. Socialism is merely a monarchy with a divided mind, a pyramid of power.

Ewe have nothing to say about what a socialist state does. Thus false flags are used to motivate you in the direction they choose. Deception is required in socialist states. It isn't an option. Thus socialist states have an "official state secret" category, not acceptable in a democratic or constitutional society.

You are talking bollocks

[JSS]

In theory it is believed that we live under democratic rule. Whether we do or not, the belief remains so far, therefore it is down to the people, to speak out when their government carries out what could be called, crimes against democracy.

I agree that in a socialist state, even when a citizen believes that state is being deceptive, especially in a false flag manner, it is up to the state to remedy that. The individual should speak out so that he can be identified and the issue can be calmed. So the individual should behave as if he was living in a free world, even when not. Of course, he will have to pay the consequences for offending the state, but that is for the state to deal with. He is their property, so they must be responsible for all he says, does, and feels like doing.

State terror is real and happening in our time, the question is how to react. How does one speak of the unspeakable. The public today are possibly unbeknownst complicit in the crimes of power.

It is as though a friend destroys others and not you directly, as you presume you gain from the carnage. The friend of the bully is no friend at all. To redeem the idea of the public as a force of, no. The public is in disarray. Disjointed. A book of the history of 'the public' would be helpful. What has it been over time, and what can it become in the not too distant future. A Short History of The Public.

All of that is just part of the game in progress. Truth or fiction is not for you to worry about .. unless in an actual democracy.

[Pluto]

The public (public opinion) is whipped up, sedated and steered by a mass information network system designed to do exactly that. In times of war...etc.

[Obvious Leo]

The public (public opinion) is whipped up, sedated and steered by a mass information network system designed to do exactly that. In times of war...etc.

This is true but is not peculiar to any given system of government.

All this nonsense about socialism and democracy as if they were somehow antonymous notions is bollocks. For a start neither democracy nor socialism actually define a system of government but rather define an underpinning ideology for a system of government and they are by no means mutually exclusive, as some are attempting to suggest. There as many different kinds of democratic states as there are nations who profess to honour the notion, and in fact all you need to do to be a democratic state is call yourself one and then brainwash the punters into believing it.