The Creatororientation

[thedoc]

But you do have me curious now what his/her answer would have been to the question: "What makes you think the universe was created?"

"He knows nothing about this !

[Hobbes' Choice]

To be fair I Googled milliards and it said it was an 18th century term for billions. Anyway, the OP seems to need to feel like s/he knows more about what is unknown than anyone else so, as you point out, I figured it didn't make much difference what questions I asked.

Really??? "Milliards". I've have to look into it. I thought is was a joke word for millions.

Yes, the OP seems to hold two mutually inconsistent positions. Whilst pretending to know nothing s/he claims to know the mind of god in other instances.

But you do have me curious now what his/her answer would have been to the question: "What makes you think the universe was created?"

Indeed, me too.

[BigWhit]

God, I picked a great first thread to read on this site. Goodness. An OP who begs the question by assuming that a creator exists and justifying that assumption with the assumption that the universe is a creation. Then the following replies had me nuking a bag of popcorn.

Here's another good question: why does it matter?

[thedoc]

God, I picked a great first thread to read on this site. Goodness. An OP who begs the question by assuming that a creator exists and justifying that assumption with the assumption that the universe is a creation. Then the following replies had me nuking a bag of popcorn.

Here's another good question: why does it matter?

To whom? Obviously it matters to the OP, I think that everyone else is just having some fun, at his expense.

[Hobbes' Choice]

God, I picked a great first thread to read on this site. Goodness. An OP who begs the question by assuming that a creator exists and justifying that assumption with the assumption that the universe is a creation. Then the following replies had me nuking a bag of popcorn.

Here's another good question: why does it matter?

Is that the international, absolute, universal "IT"?

Please don't be put off by this thread. There are more reasonable and interesting discussions.

[thedoc]

God, I picked a great first thread to read on this site. Goodness. An OP who begs the question by assuming that a creator exists and justifying that assumption with the assumption that the universe is a creation. Then the following replies had me nuking a bag of popcorn.

Here's another good question: why does it matter?

But you're on a philosophy forum so everything matters, - to someone.

[manden]

What a nonsense !

[manden]

All what exists , must have been created .

But you here have very big problems with simple things .

You cannot ( or want not or too lazy ) to think exactly (simply) logically .

[Obvious Leo]

All what exists , must have been created .

This is the statement you have been repeatedly asked to justify and simply repeating it ad nauseam without a supportive argument is improper conduct in a philosophy forum.

[Dubious]

All what exists , must have been created .

No kidding!

[thedoc]

All what exists , must have been created .

True enough, but it doesn't say anything about the cause of it's creation. It proves nothing about he how or why of it's creation.

[manden]

thedoc , with you is a little hope .

I give you a tip : human beings can create nothing with their logic and power .

[thedoc]

thedoc , with you is a little hope .

I give you a tip : human beings can create nothing with their logic and power .

With their logic and the power of their minds, humans create ideas. Some might try to claim that the ideas existed and humans only discovered them rather than created them, but even if you discover an idea that is unknown, that act is indistinguishable from creation. The difference between discovering an idea and creating an idea is only one of semantics.

[manden]

You did N O T understand !

Human beings can create n o t h i n g !

[Hobbes' Choice]

You did N O T understand !

Human beings can create n o t h i n g !

How do you explain the computer you are typing into?