RIGHT is :

[kriswest]

"e must learn to deal with his creation - human and natural - really harmonious (in about: loving, responsible, sharing)

live together. This is but only more than a little (a little as possible, because we from the Creator (true God) have reason, logic and morality), when the
Mankind is capable of, the existence of the real creator of the universe really be seen (true God) at its creation

Of these depraved and sick humanity (yet) is immensely far away

ENGLISH
I do not know anyone else who could really recognize the existence of the real creator of the universe. And without which humanity comes not forward!"

We cannot be sick or depraved as a species. Your creator would not allow such.
Any superior being would not invest in a flawed species. We are infants learning and growing. Evolution takes more than centuries. We come from microscopic life to where we are now. We could be equated to toddlers. We have made huge leaps in 300 years. That is not a lot of generations or time. Would your creator be so impatient with a child species? Or perhaps it know we must walk this path and knows that progress comes at a price. A creator of all life will have much experience and knowledge. It would not make mistakes.

[manden]

kriswest ,

Du weisst nichts über den Schöpfer ! Er ist uns natürlich zig - billionenfach überlegen . Du kannst mit deinem primitiven Denken in keinster

Weise irgendetwas vom Schöpfer beurteilen ! Ich bin nah am Schöpfer - ich weiss dass er existiert , was an ihm erkennbar ist , und was er

von der Menschheit will ! Die Menschheit ist derzeit (fast) gottlos ! Und darum ist diese Menschheit auch verdorben (corrupt) und schwer krank .

Das erkennst Du nicht , weil Du in diese verdorbene Menschheit integriert bist !

Es gibt natürlich nur den wahren Gott , den wirklichen Erschaffer des Universums (mehr von ihm selbst ist nicht erkennbar) !

Und für diese Menschheit gibt es nur EINEN Weg : sie muss völlig ehrlich zu sich selbst , mit aller Kraft und Willen , mit Vernunft und Logik ,

und OHNE den Einfluss der verdorbenen ( und falschen natürlich ) Religionen und dieser verdorbenen Welt (Streben nach Macht , Ansehen , Geld ,

Luxus , Spass) , versuchen am Existierenden zu erkennen , dass der wirkliche Erschaffer des Universums wirklich existiert .

Ich sage das nicht nur , ich weiss es - der Erschaffer hat es mich (indirekt) erkennen lassen .

[kriswest]

""You know nothing about the Creator! He, of course, we zig - billion times superior. You can with your primitive thinking in any way something assess the Creator! I am close to the Creator - I know that it exists, which can be seen in him, and what he wants of mankind! Humanity is currently (almost) godless! And that is why this humanity is tainted (corrupt) and seriously ill . The knowest not, because you are integrated into this corrupt humanity!
There are of course only the true God, the true creator of the universe (more by himself can not be seen)!
And for this man there is only one way: it must be completely honest with himself, with all his strength and will, with reason and logic
and without the influence of tainted (and wrong, of course) and religions of this corrupt world (desire for power, prestige, money
Luxury, fun), try to identify the existent that the real creator of the universe really exists
I'm not just saying, I know it - the creator has (indirectly) let me see.""



How could a creator/God have a gender? You and most all God believers assign gender to bodiless entities.

Why only you to know this creator? If this is true then there is a distinct probability that it makes you a pawn and misdirects you.
A true creator would make sure a message gets out to all involved. It would be illogical to do anything else. Using one or two or few to speak to trillions that all speak different languages, have different cultures and ways would not work.
I am not disagreeing about harmony, I am disagreeing about creator and your position and opinion of our state. A child is not sick or demented if it believes in fairy tales , a species , this species is a child, it is growing and changing. Religion is a security blanket, it is needed for many, yanking away security would cause more harm then good, a true creator would know this. When the species is mature enough it will leave its religions behind.

[manden]

kriswest ,

there is something wrong translated - the worst : which can be seen in him (completely wrong , right is : what is recognizable from him .

And instead of see you must use recognize .

You did not understand : more of himself is not recognizable : that means just that ! That I must use he/she/it , does not mean anything .

I only know that he exists and what follows logically out ot that . That till now only I could recognize him , is because of the " moral " level the

creator has set (the mankind cannot reach it) .

What the real creator makes you have no idea ! The creator does NOT obey to you ! (to me of course also not ) . What a megalomania !

I pity you ! You are a typical case of megalomania ! You must learn that you know almost nothing and be very , very , very modest !

Get well soon !

[Dalek Prime]

You guys kill me, debating who knows a figment of imagination better.

[thedoc]

I like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwkgGPvClF4

[kriswest]

kriswest ,

there is something wrong translated - the worst : which can be seen in him (completely wrong , right is : what is recognizable from him .

And instead of see you must use recognize .

You did not understand : more of himself is not recognizable : that means just that ! That I must use he/she/it , does not mean anything .

I only know that he exists and what follows logically out ot that . That till now only I could recognize him , is because of the " moral " level the

creator has set (the mankind cannot reach it) .

What the real creator makes you have no idea ! The creator does NOT obey to you ! (to me of course also not ) . What a megalomania !

I pity you ! You are a typical case of megalomania ! You must learn that you know almost nothing and be very , very , very modest !

Get well soon !

Ok, the translation was wrong. Yet what I said stands. Logic is not an insult. If a creator of anything sees their creation going wrong, they would eliminate it completely especially with life forms. And as an all knowing, seeing entity it would know time. It would know the results of the path the species is on. If the path is wrong it would be logical to remove the species before it damages other creations. So it stands to reason that so far , if your creator exists, we are on a good path.
You may know a creator, it is remotely possible, not probable. I do not insult you yet you seem to feel the need to insult me. If this is what your creator wants, then should you not question the morals you are using? You claim to wish harmony but, in a discussion of your belief and ways, you defensively insult.
I tried to give you ease of discussion by having you use your first language, I simply question and point out logical issues, I did not call you insulting names, I did not attack you. So again, if your creator wants harmony , why would you cause disharmony in a discussion about learning, questioning and understanding? Do you not see this?

[manden]

kriswest , to say you the truth about your incredible behaviour , means mot to Insult you .

It shall wake you up ! Your way is completely wrong .

NOBODY can estimate the creator , think like he "thinks" , logic like his "logic" ! He is unimaginable superior , also his "ways" !

I can recognize a little bit ( I have recognized his existence and obey him without conditions ) , because he let me recognize a little bit .

Our - the mankind - way is to learn to do , what follows out of the existence of the creator of the universe :

to live in real harmony with his creation .

And I think when we are good enough then we will be able to recognize the existence of the real creator of the universe at his creation !

THEN THE MANKIND IS AT ITS AIM ! We may hope for the true (eternal life) .

[kriswest]

When you call someone an intentional insulting name, then insult is intended. You do not wake someone up by name calling.
Your creator must follow science , logical thinking, problem solving. It must follow natural evolutional procedures. What its goal is of course we cannot know for certain. We are infants.
You have not yet addressed any of my points. You have repeated a speech. I ask you to think beyond what you believe , to not see just one side. Address my points please and please do it not as a minister or priest would. You condemn religions yet your replies are highly religious in nature. Please remember that I am not religious nor have a god. I do see a potential for a creator , other dimensions and energy beings that humans call spirits or ghosts. I do think a creator would not rely on one or a few messengers, it would be fruitless. So do please address my queries and points

[manden]

kriswest , I will try to answer athough it is useless . You are not able to understand things which are very clear for me ,

From the TRUE God , the real creator of the universe , IS MORE OF HIMSELF NOT RECOGNIZABLE ! It is much too high for human thinking and

human logic . That you don't want to accept .

What I say now , only I know , because I am the only human being who could recognize his existence , and I was ready to be his most obedient servant :

The real "commandment" of the TRUE God is : we must learn to live in real harmony with his creation .

Who can hold that well enough , and searches completely honest to himself , and with all his strength and all his will ,for the truth about the
true God , can recognize that he really exists . (incredibly difficult for this mankind till now)

THERE IS NO OTHER WAY TO GRASP IT ! If you cannot go this way you have no chance to grasp it !

The mankind till now has NOT the " moral " qualification to be able to grasp it ( of course you too ) . I was an exception .

The way to reach it I have described ! Some detail questions about the way I can answer ( but only 3 for one post please ) and only if you are
really interested . For nonsense I have no time .

[attofishpi]

The mankind till now has NOT the " moral " qualification to be able to grasp it ( of course you too ) . I was an exception .

What has changed in all of man's history that now, all of a sudden, man has THE moral qualification to be able to grasp 'it'.

For nonsense I have no time .

So you have run out of time for yourself?

[manden]

The creator decides when a man has the " moral " qualification according to HIS measure , the measure of the men does not count !

[Hobbes' Choice]

The creator decides when a man has the " moral " qualification according to HIS measure , the measure of the men does not count !

So what you are saying does not count, since you are a "man".

[Hobbes' Choice]

The True God has created everything .

But this the mankind did not really recognize till now .

Otherwise the mankind would know what to do , and also could do it !

God is predicated on the myth that a thing called god created everything.
We have been thankfully working towards the idea that this is wrong. We know realise that God is an illusion.

[manden]

Learn thinking logically .