~ The Meaning of Life ~

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SpheresOfBalance wrote: So what are you up about? What facts about the manufacture of Tesla's are biting you on the ass?
Goggle lithium mining and take a look for yourself.
No it's not!! Do you really believe that those that a Tesla appeals to, can afford one, yet not photovoltaic panels for their roof so as to charge it? If people want to go electric to help clean up the atmosphere, reducing their carbon footprint, then they have done so just by getting a Tesla, because it is in fact better than running a fossil fuel burning auto, but many go the extra mile and totally get off the electric providing companies grid, actually going so far as to selling the power their panels produce to those same companies.
So basically toys for the wealthy.

Trust me Arising If I owned a Tesla, I'd be charging it with the sun. Guiltless!
Goggle environmental cost of lithium mining. Goggle mineral and ores associated eith the production of lithium-ion bstteries.

You live in a pampered world of fantasy.
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I attempted to visually express the frailty and frivolty of belief...of even our whole thought process with that evolutional GIF.

By seeing tens of thousands of years of evolution in just a ten second GIF, well it's pretty dramatic...
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Bill Wiltrack wrote:...
By seeing tens of thousands of years of evolution in just a ten second GIF, well it's pretty dramatic...
It's also pretty much wrong, which was my point.
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I think you missed my point.


What we think, and even HOW we think is completely dependent upon our evolutionary state.

What & how we think today is totally different than let's say - 4 thousand years ago.


Jaynes - Origin of consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind is an excellent reference though it may be a difficult read for someone like yourself.

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Bill Wiltrack wrote:Jaynes - Origin of consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind is an excellent reference though it may be a difficult read for someone like yourself.
I agree. This is quite a useful book.
Bill Wiltrack wrote:Sorry for not using my normal font & text tools.
It's a blessed relief, Bill. I'm sure I'm not the only one who finds your style of posting intensely irritating and even insulting. In fact your regular use of infantile video images is usually enough to stop me from reading your posts at all.
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Thank you for the inspiration!


It's posts like yours that makes it all worthwhile!


Happy Kawaanza!




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Obvious Leo wrote:
Bill Wiltrack wrote:Jaynes - Origin of consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind is an excellent reference though it may be a difficult read for someone like yourself.
I agree. This is quite a useful book.
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But one which sadly misunderstands evolution, is Western centric, and is a croc of shit.
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I understand if you had trouble with the material.


Nothing to be ashamed about.




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Bill Wiltrack wrote: I think you missed my point. ...
I know you don't understand mine. I don't like 'memes' but you sure love promoting the false idea that we evolved from chimps and orangs. Your Christian background I guess.
What we think, and even HOW we think is completely dependent upon our evolutionary state.
Define this 'evolutionary state'?
What & how we think today is totally different than let's say - 4 thousand years ago.
Explain what you mean by 'what & how we think today'?

Still, I don't know but you could go read the Chinese to see if this is true as I guess they'd have the records given they've been around as a nation that long. What I do know is that over a couple of thousand years ago the thoughts and concerns appear to be much of a much with today.
Jaynes - Origin of consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind is an excellent reference though it may be a difficult read for someone like yourself.
Back on this are we. Read it long ago Bill, probably before you and at a younger age, nice idea but very little evidence to support it, although ironically enough it would tie nicely with NLP'S thoughts about language. Do you think this time you'll be mature enough to deal with the objections to his idea? To wit, that later repeat studies with improved equipment showed that Jaynes results don't hold up.
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Well, I'm typing from a smart phone & I'm high as fuck right now soooo I cannot respond in the proper way that I wish.

I'll take a stab at it later...





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SpheresOfBalance wrote: No! Bill should do as Bill wants to do, who do you think you are to tell Bill what he 'should' do.
I don't, I tell him what I think about what he's doing. I'm also confused that apparently you think you can tell me what I shouldn't be doing?
I could care less of your jokes, say what you mean and mean what you say.
I pretty much do and in clearer terns than you in the main but a joke is a joke, it either speaks to you or it doesn't. I tend to forget that for other nations a sense of humour is optional whereas for the British its obigatory(it's a joke!!).
I think you should leave it to Bill to say what he is or is not, again who do you think you are?
Someone on a Philosophy forum who reads others words and responds and I've being doing this with Bill for a fair old time now.. Bill is a ex-theist atheist, I'm a rare bird, a lifelong atheist and as such I can hear the theism in his thoughts. He appears not able to and that is understandable given what religious education is.
There you go again, professing to know someone better than they do.
Lmao! You've obviously not been following what Bill says.
From day to day we change, and we are not always sure, again who do you think you are to try and define Bill?
Is my definition of him wrong? Is he not an ex-theist?
Incorrect there is no common consensus amongst philosophers. Which is it, the Correspondence, Coherence, Constructivist, Consensus, Pragmatic, or Minimalist (deflationary), i.e., Performative or redundancy theories? All we get is a percentage of belief amongst philosophers. And so it goes with topics other than truth. "We," as if you speak for the one true belief. Get off your imaginary high horse, it makes you look small.
You're the idiot who thinks conclusions means a singular answer in Philosophy and that's because you've not bothered to study any but have much to wiki say about it. Philosophy has and is all about definitions and refining them, that you find this abhorrent or elitist is your cultural issue.
Yet you speak from an athiest's position.
Because I've yet to hear a philosophically sound argument to support the theists claims.
At least you's be asking for his words, instead of always trying to put them in his mouth.
Your shinning armour blinds you.
Often your so called help, seems to be fitted with barbs.
Only to those who have shown that they are not here to philosophise and a barb only hurts if it is an unacknowledged truth.

But OK, sometimes you actually do try and help him and not yourself, I'll give you that much.
Honestly I don't need such praise nor your psycho-babble.
With much work and time, as Rome wasn't built in a day.
With a blueprint things go much quicker but I think this thought the thought of the psychoanalysts who like long - term payment plans.
Maybe and maybe not, they way you sometimes treat him, I'm thinking not.
I'm thinking not because it's really not about change for Bill, he's a gnu at heart.
So who the fuck are you to judge him for it, with condescending diatribe? I find you to be extremely insensitive.
I don't care as this is a Philosophy forum not a self-help group for the deluded. Bill gives two tosses for what others think as if he did he'd change his posting behaviour given the inumerable requests he's had over the years to do so. What you fail to understand is Bill spams these posts over every forum he kind find that hasn't yet banned him.
Bull shit, that's just you fighting for your right to do what ever you please, no matter how twisted.
Bollocks, it's a fact. What you do is just try to create an entity that you can morally beat others with. But lmao given that you say you ignore your neighbours requests to stop firing your mini-gun.
Anyone that tries and speak for someone is a fool, which you often do in Bills case.
Show me where.
Get real, It was clearly a metaphor.
Then it needs to be on a poetry site or a psychoanalytic forum or just an English literature site.
You appear to think that people can produce nihilistic metaphors and not be challenged upon the inadequacy of them?
Which has absolutely nothing to do with the 'meaning' of life. And it was obviously a metaphor.
You asked me for fucking facts about our existence!!

The only metaphor it is is about Bill's wish to be a nihilist gnu.
In fact, some of those things you say you know, that you know, shall be falsehoods on some future day. The odds are against you.
The logical tautologies and contradictions will hold for all time.
No, I just know human motivation.
Lmao! Now what was it you were saying about not knowing what others think? All you know is your projection of your motivations upon others. If not then you are doing what you say I should not.
So spit this secret of yours out, or you're just blowing hot air.
I've told them to you numerous times but you don't wish to acknowledge them. They are the tautologies and contradictions of propositional Logic and as such they are the boundaries of reason and thought.
Not at all, I know very well where I am, I'm very lucid!
Hallucid I think at times.
So you characterize us, so as to demean, which is you problem not mine.
Not a problem for me as I don't have your issues about sparing another's thoughts just because they have them, philosophically speaking that is.
I do not talk philosophical nonsense, but of course you'd say so, you're vindictive that way.
Got bugger all to do with your pet psycho-babble and is exactly an example of what I talk about as up-post you claim that I cannot know the other person and yet here you are claiming to know me, philosophical nonsense.
You mean you have no idea! And I agree! I've often seen words go right over your head. One of your megalomaniacal tendencies, is to assert that it can't be, if you don't understand it. Visions of grandeur?
What you have seen is me not understanding your sage-speak and then you applying your psycho-babble to it.
Hey you're the fool that told me your personality type, don't blame me it's not as grand as you believe it is.
What are you babbling on about now, what personality type are you talking about?
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Bill Wiltrack wrote:.


I understand if you had trouble with the material.


Nothing to be ashamed about.

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Bill, you ain't kidding no one here buddy. I read this for breakfast 20 years ago.
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Don't want to belabor the point however I will point out to you reading and understanding are two different words.


You understand in the best way you can.

We'll leave it go at that...







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Bill Wiltrack wrote:.
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Going to address the issue this time that Jaynes results don't hold up with the results from the latest scanners?
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Please go back to using your phone as it was so much pleasanter.
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Bill Wiltrack wrote:.




Don't want to belabor the point however I will point out to you reading and understanding are two different words.


You understand in the best way you can.

We'll leave it go at that...




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You've talked about Jaynes before, and it is clear that you do not understand it, I think that is because you never read it with understanding.
Which is it?
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