marjoram_blues wrote:
So, even if they currently hold a particular view, as long as they are open to consider other possibilities, their minds are still alive. There is an active thinking/arguing process ( critical thinking/philosophy) to arrive at some other hot spot. This can't be the same as 'philosophical suicide', can it ? Please direct me, if you would be so kind, to this place in Camus' belief. Thanks.
{ I know I could google but I'd love to be taken to your favourite spot }
If a man decides not to shoot himself in the head, but choses to shut himself in the garage with the car engine running, he is still committing suicide. He might congratulate himself for a less messy choice, but he still has given in to the allure of the easy answer.
I just think that most people are doomed to believe.
When you say Camus' belief, I think it more appropriate to say is ideas. I tend to take the word "belief" as a thing taken to be true regardless of truth value, and often flying against common sense. I try to believe nothing.
OK, this is a fast moving thread and I want to spend more time getting my head around this concept of Camus. Also, this criticism of the use and meaning of the word 'belief' - that needs a good looking at. I don't have time right now but look forward to further exploration later. I will probably start another thread, unless someone else gets there before me. In the meantime, if anyone can point me to a specifically valuable description, explanation and critique of Camus' position/perspective I'd be grateful. Right now, I'm not appreciating the idea of 'philosophical suicide', nor the human comparison.
Have a lovely time during this season which is not always full of goodwill or fond memories. Life is bittersweet. But it beats the alternative.
See y'all on the other side...
I'll go with belief is the antithesis of knowledge quoted by leo from Russell.
As with most philosophers. Start with Wiki, then go on to Stanford.
If he sounds interesting then buy a book. The Myth of Sisyphus, is a good place to start.
SpheresOfBalance wrote:... I'd rather own a Tesla! That's truly bad-ass, and it's guiltless!
Only if you don't care about miners pay and working conditions. So what are you up about? What facts about the manufacture of Tesla's are biting you on the ass?
Plus the electricity is still fossil fuel produced and I wonder if there are enough rare minerals to support the amount of cars wanted. No it's not!! Do you really believe that those that a Tesla appeals to, can afford one, yet not photovoltaic panels for their roof so as to charge it? If people want to go electric to help clean up the atmosphere, reducing their carbon footprint, then they have done so just by getting a Tesla, because it is in fact better than running a fossil fuel burning auto, but many go the extra mile and totally get off the electric providing companies grid, actually going so far as to selling the power their panels produce to those same companies.
Trust me Arising If I owned a Tesla, I'd be charging it with the sun. Guiltless!
Obvious Leo wrote:
The point is not so much the CO2 tonnage in absolute terms as the amount of CO2 which the biosphere can handle without getting itself seriously out of whack. For instance the overall percentage of CO2 in the atmosphere has increased by about 70% since the pre-industrial era..
Hobbes' Choice wrote:
SpheresOfBalance wrote:
Hobbes' Choice wrote:
You are just making shit up as you go along.
The last time you quoted this statistic you said 20%.
The fact is that we do not know as accurately as we would like what global temperatures or Co2 concentrations have been in the past.
Nor can the trace amounts of CO2 then AND now, give us an explanation for the claimed rise in temperature.
CO2 remains at trace amounts, and whilst it is agreed that it is a greenhouse gas, and can be shown in high concentrations to keep air at a warmer level, there is no physics which gives such tiny concentration (0.04%) the significance which the climate lobby claims for it.
How dense are you? It doesn't fucking matter, all that matters is that in fact the globe is warming and we can do something about it, by changing our lazy assed lifestyles, if we can first lock all you mindless selfish fucks in a cage where you belong!
It's obvious that you do not know what the fuck you are talking about. You must be looking in the mirror.
If we do not know what is causing GW, then it is pointless pursuing a carbon reduction programme. Could you say anything more asinine. An analogy:
SOB: Hey HC, your house is on fire, better use that hose and put it out.
HC: It's pointless putting it out until we know what caused it.
SOB: It doesn't matter, your fucking house is burning to the ground, man!
HC: I won't budge until we can find out what's causing it!
Goddamn you're a hard headed ignorant SOB!
We need to look elsewhere if the physics does not support the claims.
What has happened is that in the name of fossil fuel use reduction. thousands of acres of rain forest are now being destroyed to produce fuel oil plants, which could be much more devastating to the climate and certianly is more devastating to the environment. So fuck you with knobs on moron. Oh, you'd like to fuck me wouldn't you, shit for brains! Which doesn't worry me in the least because due to your braggadocio about what brand auto you drive, I know your penis is infinitely small such that I'd never feel it!
SpheresOfBalance wrote:Trust me Arising If I owned a Tesla, I'd be charging it with the sun. Guiltless!
Well, except that you would be dimishing the albedo effect and adding to global warming. Which is relatively negligible, by comparison. And of course I'd measure my carbon footprint relative to everyone elses, seeing my contribution for what it was relatively; Guiltless!
No such thing as a free lunch, Spheres. Not true, when I was a kid and the SST was canned my father was laid off, and I got free lunches from the city, at my school.
SpheresOfBalance wrote: Which doesn't worry me in the least because due to your braggadocio about what brand auto you drive, I know your penis is infinitely small such that I'd never feel it! [/color]
As I thought you have nothing to offer the discussion.
SpheresOfBalance wrote: Which doesn't worry me in the least because due to your braggadocio about what brand auto you drive, I know your penis is infinitely small such that I'd never feel it! [/color]
As I thought you have nothing to offer the discussion.
SpheresOfBalance wrote:SpheresOfBalance wrote:
A Bunch of crap
Hobbes' Choice wrote:
SpheresOfBalance wrote:
Hobbes' Choice wrote:
PLONK!!!
Oh come now, you can do better than that. This latest attempt is far too generic. Dig deep and let her rip!
You are unworthy.
Plonk is the sound of me no longer bothering to read the shit you write.
So you believe yourself king? Actually I believe I knew it all along. Wasn't that our very first interaction. You believing you were special, putting down the lessor, and I told you that it's you that makes them lessor when you first consider it. If not you can see how important I believe your contribution is, because I can't even remember our first encounter. Though I do remember that you've always shown me that you're an inconsiderate asshole. But then I've recently given you an out, because of the shit you've had to face. Thank me son!
SpheresOfBalance wrote:
Oh come now, you can do better than that. This latest attempt is far too generic. Dig deep and let her rip!
You are unworthy.
Plonk is the sound of me no longer bothering to read the shit you write.
So you believe yourself king? Actually I believe I knew it all along. Wasn't that our very first interaction. You believing you were special, putting down the lessor, and I told you that it's you that makes them lessor when you first consider it. If not you can see how important I believe your contribution is, because I can't even remember our first encounter. Though I do remember that you've always shown me that you're an inconsiderate asshole. But then I've recently given you an out, because of the shit you've had to face. Thank me son!
You are talking about yourself.
You've never shown yourself to be interested in anyone else.
