When Will Humanity Become Human?

[SpheresOfBalance]

Spheres, you're dismissed.

We'll see what you know of redemption.

Like you matter? Stroke yourself often, do you?

[SpheresOfBalance]

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This is why I openly shit down the throats of past philosophers.

That is why I have had an open disdain for the individuals that have read past philosophers & think that they are educated in the art of philosophy.

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... Marx said that Capitalism is the quickest route to Socialism.

Because of the advent of technology Democratic Socialism is on the horizon.

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Had a deep understanding through following the discipline that Ouspensky articulated. ...

You are an idiot but I'll give you that you're not afraid to prove it.

Bill simply appreciates language, that’s all. He’s hyperbolic, some say it’s a condition. But he transcends because it’s hilarious when done good … and because Bill asks honest questions.

For the rest of it so far, coaxing a modicum of rationality from moving targets is an intellectual diversion. Circumstances don’t often allow for an actual factual intellectual exhange in which someone isn’t running some kind of shit, seeing as most everyone has the starring role in their own perfected, extemporaneous script.

There are rare gold strikes, however the target practice is fun.

Says the fool just undermined by his own worthless diatribe!

Happy Holidays!

[Walker]

YES! ABSURDITY! AS HUMANS FEAR CAUSE THEM TO BELIEVE THEY CAN DEFEAT KILLING WITH KILLING AS A MEANS TO DENY THEIR DEATH! THAT IS THE SINGLE CAUSE, SAVE THOSE BORN WITHOUT A SOUND MIND, MUCH LIKE YOURS!

Calm down and clean it up, whoever you are.

Add some punctuation, give it an edit. Think it over. We’ll see there’s any merit to whatever it is you’re trying to express.

Make it count this time, then we’ll consider your future.

Because you're starting to sound like an idiot.

[Arising_uk]

Never said they were, you read it wrong.

My apologies.

So sure you are that your islands defenses are impenetrable, not!

Never said that, just that it's not easy to get such stuff through the tunnel and nor can they buy them in a supermarket over here.

Only because you survived WWII, thanks largely to those with guns, bigger and more plentiful than the Nazis.

Yep! God Bless the Soviets.

Always with you, it's those that supply the insane killers, possibly unknowingly, that are at fault. America is not the only country that sells weapons to killers.

Not unknowingly, fund-raising and your politicians welcoming them with open arms.

Hey your the one that points your (phantom) member at everyone. And you must be thinking of someone else, there are no loons here, you must be projecting as usual!

Anyone who mounts a mini-gun on a quad is a loon.

Apples and oranges, apples and oranges!

Which you can also buy along with a gun.

I have no idea what you're talking about, but nothing would surprise me, at this point.

Turn on your news.

Happy Christmas, atheist!

More dumb Yank mercantilism, December is not Christmas.

[Arising_uk]

YES! ABSURDITY! AS HUMANS FEAR CAUSE THEM TO BELIEVE THEY CAN DEFEAT KILLING WITH KILLING AS A MEANS TO DENY THEIR DEATH! THAT IS THE SINGLE CAUSE, SAVE THOSE BORN WITHOUT A SOUND MIND, MUCH LIKE YOURS!

Says the mini-gun owner.

[SpheresOfBalance]

YES! ABSURDITY! AS HUMANS FEAR CAUSE THEM TO BELIEVE THEY CAN DEFEAT KILLING WITH KILLING AS A MEANS TO DENY THEIR DEATH! THAT IS THE SINGLE CAUSE, SAVE THOSE BORN WITHOUT A SOUND MIND, MUCH LIKE YOURS!

Calm down and clean it up, whoever you are.
It is true that indeed some fools believe that engaging the caps lock is somehow indicative of emotional content.

Add some punctuation, give it an edit. Think it over. We’ll see there’s any merit to whatever it is you’re trying to express.
They also resort to grammar, spelling, or punctuation correction, when they realize they've been pegged!

Make it count this time, then we’ll consider your future.
High with delusions of grandeur, their sense as to something counting, is often askew.

Because you're starting to sound like an idiot.
Thats no surprise, as this type of sensing also escapes them.

They are very good at projecting self though, such that there's no doubt what they do when left all alone.

Happy Holidays!

[Hobbes' Choice]

YES! ABSURDITY! AS HUMANS FEAR CAUSE THEM TO BELIEVE THEY CAN DEFEAT KILLING WITH KILLING AS A MEANS TO DENY THEIR DEATH! THAT IS THE SINGLE CAUSE, SAVE THOSE BORN WITHOUT A SOUND MIND, MUCH LIKE YOURS!

Says the mini-gun owner.

SoB has been under his rick for a while. Now he's back and the forum turns to shit.

[SpheresOfBalance]

Never said they were, you read it wrong.

My apologies.
No worries, mate!

So sure you are that your islands defenses are impenetrable, not!

Never said that, just that it's not easy to get such stuff through the tunnel and nor can they buy them in a supermarket over here.
My point really wasn't about your degree of feeling safe, though obviously that's your main concern, fear based? Of course! It was that Americans are not the only ones pulling triggers. Have you heard the news? The Brits have been given the go ahead to invade Syria! It looks like 'your' countries people are pulling big triggers too! Or does that make it not 'your' country now?

Only because you survived WWII, thanks largely to those with guns, bigger and more plentiful than the Nazis.

Yep! God Bless the Soviets.
And the Americans, but then I understand your position, your fear, seeing your nation as superior as you do; America once a possession that slipped away from British fingers, your fingers, or so your mind needs to believe. live anyone else's life lately? Oh I forgot, it's continuously the case with you, seeking self comfort in the deeds of others, as if you were actually responsible. I neither have nor require such delusions.

Always with you, it's those that supply the insane killers, possibly unknowingly, that are at fault. America is not the only country that sells weapons to killers.

Not unknowingly, fund-raising and your politicians welcoming them with open arms.
Not my politicians! You see that's what I mean. That's where you go wrong. I guess you truly believe that they are 'your' parliament and queen. Some of your brain washing has slipped out, feel like one of the British sheeple much?

Hey your the one that points your (phantom) member at everyone. And you must be thinking of someone else, there are no loons here, you must be projecting as usual!

Anyone who mounts a mini-gun on a quad is a loon.
As if your perspective, which can only be born of fear, (yet you have professed that you do not fear your death, even going so far as to say you'd kill a child to save yours, and that you don't really care for your kids, so we might as well ride the hot rails to hell, contradiction, confusion? Must be that nasty dictionary, or maybe just your comprehension of it!), is definitive in such a case. Sorry about such a long sidebar, making it more difficult to read, but doesn't it frame the main point oh so well?

Apples and oranges, apples and oranges!

Which you can also buy along with a gun.
Actually your ignorance is showing through your assertion, as it is quite a lengthy screening process to buy guns, 'legally,' here in the US.

I have no idea what you're talking about, but nothing would surprise me, at this point.

Turn on your news.
Actually I already have. You're speaking of an instance where an obvious Muslim extremist ran-a-muck in an office building, killing 14, I believe. Some people are really fucked up aren't they? But my point was that you're in denial, and require a change of mind, not I.

Happy Christmas, atheist!

More dumb Yank mercantilism, December is not Christmas.

No, only in the minds of the one percenters, and those of like mind, has it become that. There are many here, such as myself, that see it quite differently. So you don't 'buy' or 'make' anyone, any gifts ever? I'm sorry that you're not inclined to sacrifice yourself for the joy of another. I find it quite nice to surprise someone with a thoughtful gift. Yes, I actually enjoy watching their surprise. It makes me feel all warm and fuzzy, especially the greater their surprise.

[SpheresOfBalance]

YES! ABSURDITY! AS HUMANS FEAR CAUSE THEM TO BELIEVE THEY CAN DEFEAT KILLING WITH KILLING AS A MEANS TO DENY THEIR DEATH! THAT IS THE SINGLE CAUSE, SAVE THOSE BORN WITHOUT A SOUND MIND, MUCH LIKE YOURS!

Says the mini-gun owner.

SoB has been under his rick for a while. Now he's back and the forum turns to shit.

Translation: "In the face of my dialog, your ineptitude becomes apparent." Sorry son, but it's only argument, only argument!

P.S. I'm not familiar with what a rick is, please expound, so I can feel the full strength of your put down, because at this point it seems far too light.

[Arising_uk]

No worries, mate!

Not an Ocker.

My point really wasn't about your degree of feeling safe, though obviously that's your main concern, fear based? Of course!

Only in your psycho-babble world. As I lived through decades of American sponsored terrorism with nary a thought about it, apart from the three times I heard the bombs and the one where I missed it by five minutes. Funny old sound they make.

It was that Americans are not the only ones pulling triggers. ...

One mass killing every day makes you pretty much the leader in trigger pulls.

Have you heard the news? The Brits have been given the go ahead to invade Syria! It looks like 'your' countries people are pulling big triggers too! Or does that make it not 'your' country now?

Nope, makes it my country and makes it a pretty stupid one as our contribution will be minimal compared to your year long bombing now and I guess it'll also make bugger all difference unless we put boots on the ground. Looks like no-one learnt anything from Vietnam.

And the Americans, but then I understand your position, your fear, seeing your nation as superior as you do;

More psycho-babble from you. Whilst you keep this filter of yours you will understand nothing.

Without the Soviets the Sixth Army would have ensured that we'd still be on the beaches. Although in reality it was the campaigns in the south that made a big difference but they appear to have been little remembered in Hollywood.

America once a possession that slipped away from British fingers, your fingers, or so your mind needs to believe. live anyone else's life lately?

I give two tosses about the loss of empire but remember the sacrifice of those others and of my family in such things.

Oh I forgot, it's continuously the case with you, seeking self comfort in the deeds of others, as if you were actually responsible. I neither have nor require such delusions.

And yet the Yank keeps raising the war?

Not my politicians! You see that's what I mean. That's where you go wrong. I guess you truly believe that they are 'your' parliament and queen. Some of your brain washing has slipped out, feel like one of the British sheeple much?

'Sheeple' eh! Time to go join the Blow Thyself crowd methinks.

Yes, your politicians or are you sayinbg you do not have democracy in your country. So yes, they are my Parliament but the Queen is her own which is why we made sure she and they have no power.

As if your perspective, which can only be born of fear, (yet you have professed that you do not fear your death, even going so far as to say you'd kill a child to save yours, and that you don't really care for your kids, so we might as well ride the hot rails to hell, contradiction, confusion? ...

No, I said I'd kill a child to save all and mine, as I really care more for mine that I do for others. You got any kids? I never said I don't care for my kids, I said I'm not naive enough to think I can control them as unlike you I'm not of the male patriarchal ilk. You'll find bugger all contradiction and confusion in my thoughts as I've been philosophically trained but if you do you'll find that I will change them until consistency is restored, philosophical training an' all that.

Must be that nasty dictionary, or maybe just your comprehension of it!), is definitive in such a case. Sorry about such a long sidebar, making it more difficult to read, but doesn't it frame the main point oh so well?

It's not even clear what your point is? As I use no dictionaries to make meaning.

Actually your ignorance is showing through your assertion, as it is quite a lengthy screening process to buy guns, 'legally,' here in the US.

Again, my apologies but a search seems to show that it is not illegal to buy guns from private buyers, which apparently 40% odd do. I also note that your screening test appear fairly weak.
http://kellianderson.com/blog/2013/03/b ... n-america/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/josh-horw ... 27695.html

Actually I already have. You're speaking of an instance where an obvious Muslim extremist ran-a-muck in an office building, killing 14, I believe. ...

Actually a husband and wife.

Some people are really fucked up aren't they?

Not really fucked up, just different mindsets and one day they'll buy a mini-gun from a private seller.

But my point was that you're in denial, and require a change of mind, not I.

What am I in denial about? Bill's post was about the killing in America but he then made it all of humanity. My experience in my country is that we very rarely kill each other whereas you appear to have had a mass killing everyday this year and your murder rate is many many multiples ours. So i just pointed out that it appears Americans are not all of humanity.

No, only in the minds of the one percenters, and those of like mind, has it become that.

No idea what a one-percenter is?

There are many here, such as myself, that see it quite differently. So you don't 'buy' or 'make' anyone, any gifts ever? I'm sorry that you're not inclined to sacrifice yourself for the joy of another. ...

That you think either of these acts is a sacrifice is your issue.

I find it quite nice to surprise someone with a thoughtful gift. ...

Do you? Amongst mine it's expected to be a thoughtful gift.

Yes, I actually enjoy watching their surprise. It makes me feel all warm and fuzzy, especially the greater their surprise.

No idea why they should be surprised that you've brought a thoughtful gift unless it's out of character for you but from the sounds of it it's all about you and not others.

[Hobbes' Choice]

SoB has been under his rock for a while. Now he's back and the forum turns to shit.

Translation: "In the face of my dialog, your ineptitude becomes apparent." Sorry son, but it's only argument, only argument!

P.S. I'm not familiar with what a rock is, please expound, so I can feel the full strength of your put down, because at this point it seems far too light.

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You hysterical outburst is rubbish. Wars are fought for a variety of reason, but never the reason you have given which is gibberish.

[Arising_uk]

You are misquoting me. Fix it please.

[SpheresOfBalance]

No worries, mate!

Not an Ocker.
Don't know what an Ocker is, but then it really doesn't matter.

My point really wasn't about your degree of feeling safe, though obviously that's your main concern, fear based? Of course!

Only in your psycho-babble world.
Your denial, obvious via the historical record of your words, all these years. That you're oblivious and confused, is not surprising!

As I lived through decades of American sponsored terrorism with nary a thought about it, apart from the three times I heard the bombs and the one where I missed it by five minutes. Funny old sound they make.
You beating your chest, much like a gorilla! The facade that many men posture! A self defense mechanism, born of fear!

It was that Americans are not the only ones pulling triggers. ...

One mass killing every day makes you pretty much the leader in trigger pulls.
What's the ratio? You err as you have not presented statistics relative to the populations of both England and the USofA. It does make a difference.

Have you heard the news? The Brits have been given the go ahead to invade Syria! It looks like 'your' countries people are pulling big triggers too! Or does that make it not 'your' country now?

Nope, makes it my country and makes it a pretty stupid one as our contribution will be minimal compared to your year long bombing now and I guess it'll also make bugger all difference unless we put boots on the ground. Looks like no-one learnt anything from Vietnam.
Yet you're confused as to why the US is as it is? Sequence!! It was the very last western nation born, largely of England, I might ad. And as the baby in the family, taught by all it's predecessors, it stands to reason. Such that when you take a potshot at America you shoot England in the foot as well, as well as all of Europe, and the rest of the world for that matter, as America has always been a melting pot. Understand?

And the Americans, but then I understand your position, your fear, seeing your nation as superior as you do;

More psycho-babble from you. Whilst you keep this filter of yours you will understand nothing.
Your denial, obvious via the historical record of your words, all these years. That you're oblivious and confused, is not surprising! It's your filter that keeps you in the dark as to what you really are.

Without the Soviets the Sixth Army would have ensured that we'd still be on the beaches. Although in reality it was the campaigns in the south that made a big difference but they appear to have been little remembered in Hollywood.
Hollywood has nothing to do with historical record. The US and the Soviets arrived at at least one of the death camps at the same time. Americans actually freed the people of the first death camp to be liberated. It matters not that you nor many acknowledge Americas part. And if you can't add things together to see the answer, it's a testament to your inability, not anyone else's.

America once a possession that slipped away from British fingers, your fingers, or so your mind needs to believe. live anyone else's life lately?

I give two tosses about the loss of empire but remember the sacrifice of those others and of my family in such things.
Their choice!

Oh I forgot, it's continuously the case with you, seeking self comfort in the deeds of others, as if you were actually responsible. I neither have nor require such delusions.

And yet the Yank keeps raising the war?
Knowing you all this time, the reason why!! I consider whom I'm speaking to before I speak, don't you?

Not my politicians! You see that's what I mean. That's where you go wrong. I guess you truly believe that they are 'your' parliament and queen. Some of your brain washing has slipped out, feel like one of the British sheeple much?

'Sheeple' eh! Time to go join the Blow Thyself crowd methinks.
That you're in denial of your truth, in the end, makes no difference to me, only you. Your fear, often very apparent!

Yes, your politicians or are you sayinbg you do not have democracy in your country.
Democracy, represented by mainly a 2 party system, often resorts to a 50/50 split, that is if, with the population of the day, one can trust that the 'one-percenters' hasn't rigged, so called, democracies outcome.

So yes, they are my Parliament but the Queen is her own which is why we made sure she and they have no power.
No they are obviously not yours, as earlier you said straight up, that they make mistakes, that theirs differs with respect to your ideas, so not necessarily yours at all. Just one of your many delusions, huh, ARISING "UK."

As if your perspective, which can only be born of fear, (yet you have professed that you do not fear your death, even going so far as to say you'd kill a child to save yours, and that you don't really care for your kids, so we might as well ride the hot rails to hell, contradiction, confusion? ...

No, I said I'd kill a child to save all and mine, as I really care more for mine that I do for others.
No, as you are amongst the group that would be saved, a fact that would be your prime motivator, whether you, yet again, want to deny it or not! Science says otherwise. The primary motivator for all life on planet earth is to SURVIVE, PERIOD!! It goes way back to the beginning of our time. It's why your autonomic system causes you to take a breath, first and foremost! It's surprising how ignorant you are of you! How old are you again? You sound pretty damn young and/or naive. Or like I've said, just pretty damn ignorant about your human self.

You got any kids?
You know so, as I've told you before. It would seem I remember more about you than you do about me, which gives me great advantage. Especially added to my great knowledge of the human psychological condition.

I never said I don't care for my kids, I said I'm not naive enough to think I can control them as unlike you I'm not of the male patriarchal ilk.
NO, NO, NO, NO! Again your memory fails you! I was speaking of the argument we had as to mankind destroying itself via global warming and causing other animals extinction, that was coincidentally, in another thread of Bills. You said who cares, we're destined to destroy ourselves anyway, why should we harness our desires, which you didn't realize said, "to hell with my kids," which in fact that type of attitude does. Though I'm sure you'll try and deny that too, your fear of facing yourself runs deep, which I'm sure is why you've tried to use NLP to reprogram yourself.


You'll find bugger all contradiction and confusion in my thoughts as I've been philosophically trained but if you do you'll find that I will change them until consistency is restored, philosophical training an' all that.
Go ahead and pump yourself up, it's a common human, what I call a, mind fuck, we all do it to save face in the face of our peers, and our sanity, if that's what it can really be called, though I see it quite differently! I see humans as largely conflicted, deranged individuals that have created a plethora of unneeded terms so as to fool themselves into believing they're sane. Once you break it all down it's very apparent.

Must be that nasty dictionary, or maybe just your comprehension of it!), is definitive in such a case. Sorry about such a long sidebar, making it more difficult to read, but doesn't it frame the main point oh so well?

It's not even clear what your point is? As I use no dictionaries to make meaning.
Yes, because you just broke it up into two separate quotes. In addition this last sentence of yours is evidence as to why another's meaning, you should never believe, is contained in your response, as clearly you're stating that you refuse to use the accepted normal usage of words, and create your own instead. You are definitely confused, my friend!

Actually your ignorance is showing through your assertion, as it is quite a lengthy screening process to buy guns, 'legally,' here in the US.

Again, my apologies but a search seems to show that it is not illegal to buy guns from private buyers, which apparently 40% odd do. I also note that your screening test appear fairly weak.
http://kellianderson.com/blog/2013/03/b ... n-america/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/josh-horw ... 27695.html
Subterfuge, in the face of your assertion that it's as easy as buying apples and oranges at the market. You seem to 'always' meander like this, not capable of understanding that my response's are always contextually pertinent to that which you have said. And this is a clear example of how humans cloud the waters of meaning to save face so as not to see their real self in their mirror. Don't worry, every human does this, why should you be an exception? Though I'm sure some do it more than others, those that have much more of themselves to fear, of course.

Actually I already have. You're speaking of an instance where an obvious Muslim extremist ran-a-muck in an office building, killing 14, I believe. ...

Actually a husband and wife.
Details that really have no significance, except to one that seeks to assert some sort of dominance, as if memorization of details are necessary/worthy of memorization. Of course we all do this as well, so as to give the appearance of besting the opponent. All that's important to remember in such a situation, is how to identify people that would do such a thing, so as to not be had by such people. It's not couples to be wary of, rather Muslim extremist's, which can be discerned with close scrutiny and then applied caution.

Some people are really fucked up aren't they?

Not really fucked up, just different mindsets
You don't think that killing, potentially innocents as to ones cause, because surely the victims weren't interviewed before they were killed, is fucked up, rather just people of different mindsets. Wow, it would seem that the real loon has shown their face. What if it was your kids that were killed, would their killers still simply be those of different mindsets. Your characterization of people so base is surely kind in the face of their heinous crimes. Harsh crimes deserve harsh words attached to the perpetrators, surely!

and one day they'll buy a mini-gun from a private seller.
You have a crystal ball and can see into the future, can you? Just you again, taking a wild baseless stab at your opponent, because of your fear and ignorance. Understood these days as par for Arising's course, which in fact becomes more and more like a simple game of putt-putt, every day. If that's all you aspire to be, so be it, your choice!

But my point was that you're in denial, and require a change of mind, not I.

What am I in denial about? Bill's post was about the killing in America but he then made it all of humanity. My experience in my country is that we very rarely kill each other whereas you appear to have had a mass killing everyday this year and your murder rate is many many multiples ours. So i just pointed out that it appears Americans are not all of humanity.
And I'm sure that he spoke of all of humanity, throughout history! What say you now, imperialist dog! So it is, if I'm to lump you into a generalized form of a Brit, as you and others do, with respect to Americans, here at the PNF. Your historical record is just as tainted as all the rest. Cut the youngest a break, as your, so called, country, has had much more time to work things out.

No, only in the minds of the one percenters, and those of like mind, has it become that.

No idea what a one-percenter is?
One-Percenters is a new term that represents the one percent richest in the US that largely, are also those in control. The ones that spoil the rest.

There are many here, such as myself, that see it quite differently. So you don't 'buy' or 'make' anyone, any gifts ever? I'm sorry that you're not inclined to sacrifice yourself for the joy of another. ...

That you think either of these acts is a sacrifice is your issue.
Never said that I thought it, I'm saying that the majority of people do.

I find it quite nice to surprise someone with a thoughtful gift. ...

Do you? Amongst mine it's expected to be a thoughtful gift.
And you know what is said of expectations right. "The wants and desires of a selfish mind, are expectations."

Yes, I actually enjoy watching their surprise. It makes me feel all warm and fuzzy, especially the greater their surprise.

No idea why they should be surprised that you've brought a thoughtful gift unless it's out of character for you
What a bit of foolishness you utter, as if you can read their minds so as to actually know, with 100% certainty, what it is that they find 'more' endearing. But then I've known for quite some time that what it is that you convey serves to bloat your self image severely out of proportion. Again very common.

but from the sounds of it it's all about you and not others.
There is no such thing as a selfless act, PERIOD! However ones selfish act in their giving/sacrificing themselves for another so as to witness their joy, is far purer, than ones selfish act meant only to serve themselves at the others expense. It's ironic that you should mention this as you exemplify the latter almost continually here at the PNF. I see no evidence whatsoever, that the former applies to you at all. At least not in the way that you argue.

[Arising_uk]

Don't know what an Ocker is, but then it really doesn't matter.

So what was the 'no worries' about?

Your denial, obvious via the historical record of your words, all these years. That you're oblivious and confused, is not surprising!

Then quote and point it out but you won't be able to as all this is just the result of your psycho-babble confirmation bias.

You beating your chest, much like a gorilla! The facade that many men posture! A self defense mechanism, born of fear!

It's like talking to a Marxist! Self-confirming nonsense, I just told you a fact!! You told me that I was living in fear of terrorism nowadays and I just told you that I've been living with such a threat for decades due to American sponsored terrorism and it holds no fear for me, it doesn't even cross my mind not least because I understand risk analysis.

What's the ratio? You err as you have not presented statistics relative to the populations of both England and the USofA. It does make a difference.

It makes fuck all difference what metric you use as even adjusted the difference is major.

Yet you're confused as to why the US is as it is? Sequence!! It was the very last western nation born, largely of England, I might ad. And as the baby in the family, taught by all it's predecessors, it stands to reason. Such that when you take a potshot at America you shoot England in the foot as well, as well as all of Europe, and the rest of the world for that matter, as America has always been a melting pot. Understand?

I'm not confused at all about why the U.S. is as it is, it's due to a misplaced comma and the misunderstanding of what a well regulated militia means. I also understand that you are a country that was founded with modern technology and think it a route to happiness to own a gun, so I have no misapprehension that the US will be changing any time soon. I also don;t really give a toss what you do over there. My take upon this thread was just to point out to Bill that he should not assign what happens over there to the reality of what happens over here.

Your denial, obvious via the historical record of your words, all these years. That you're oblivious and confused, is not surprising! It's your filter that keeps you in the dark as to what you really are.

Put up or shut up.

Hollywood has nothing to do with historical record. The US and the Soviets arrived at many of the death camps at the same time, and our nuclear resolve shook the Germans cage in a very big way. It matters not that you nor many acknowledge it. And if you can't add things together to see the answer, it's a testament to your inability, not anyone else's.

You're an idiot as you dropped the bomb after Germany had already surrendered. See what I mean by a hollywood/disney historical view.

Their choice!

Not really as there was a draft.

Knowing you all this time, the reason why!! I consider whom I'm speaking to before I speak, don't you?

You know nothing as you filter every thing through your psycho-babble and take the other inot consideration not at all.

That you're in denial of your truth, in the end, makes no difference to me, only you. Your fear, often very apparent!

The only fear writ large here is yours, as it's plain that you have never completed your therapy and have just pick 'n' mixed to justify not addressing your issues.

Democracy, represented by mainly a 2 party system, often resorts to a 50/50 split, that is if, with the population of the day, one can trust that the 'one-percenters' hasn't rigged, so called, democracies outcome.

Then start another party. No eyed-deer what these 'one percenters' are.

No they are obviously not yours, as earlier you said straight up, that they make mistakes, that theirs differs with respect to your ideas, so not necessarily yours at all. ...

Yes mine, as I accept what living in a democracy means whereas you just wish to live in the facist world of SOB.

Just one of your many delusions, huh, ARISING "UK."

I'm not even going to be bothered explaining once more that my nik is a product of happenstance and not, unlike yours, the product of a delusional ego trying to project what he is not.

No, as you are amongst the group that would be saved, a fact that would be your prime motivator, whether you, yet again, want to deny it or not! ...

And yet I told you that is it was just my life I wouldn't do it but once again your psycho-babble confirmation bias leaves you unable to believe what others tell you as it would threaten the shaky foundation you've built to protect yourself from yourself.

Science says otherwise. ...

Lmao! So now psychology and psycho-analysis is a science is it?

The primary motivator for all life on planet earth is to SURVIVE, PERIOD!! It goes way back to the beginning of our time. It's why your autonomic system causes you to take a breath, first and foremost! It's surprising how ignorant you are of you! How old are you again? You sound pretty damn young and/or naive. Or like I've said, just pretty damn ignorant about your human self.

And yet we are not all life are we, we are intelligent life and as such can override our instincts.

You know so, as I've told you before. It would seem I remember more about you than you do about me, which gives me great advantage. Especially added to my great knowledge of the human psychological condition.

Did you? Oh well, I guess I just forget as when I hear you talk about how you will sacrifice your kids and all the other innocent kids upon your moral altar it amazes me that you are a parent.

You have a limited knowledge of the human psychological condition, what you have is the cobbled together model of the therapized who has never completed his treatment.

NO, NO, NO, NO! Again your memory fails you! I was speaking of the argument we had as to mankind destroying itself via global warming and causing other animals extinction, that was coincidentally, in another thread of Bills. You said who cares, we're destined to destroy ourselves anyway, why should we harness our desires, which you didn't realize said, "to hell with my kids," which in fact that type of attitude does. Though I'm sure you'll try and deny that too, your fear of facing yourself runs deep, which I'm sure is why you've tried to use NLP to reprogram yourself.

Show me, as I truly doubt these would be my words but much more likely your filtered interpretation. What I would have said, if you're talking about the rhinos and elephants, is that allowing them to be farmed would do more good. But lmao that now you apparently think we can harness our instincts?

Go ahead and pump yourself up, it's a common human, what I call a, mind fuck, we all do it to save face in the face of our peers, and our sanity, if that's what it can really be called, though I see it quite differently! I see humans as largely conflicted, deranged individuals that have created a plethora of unneeded terms so as to fool themselves into believing they're sane. Once you break it all down it's very apparent.

Is it? What's apparent to me is that I've pretty much never seen you change your thoughts upon this forum nor apologise and think it due to your inability to complete your therapy courses as you do not wish to face yourself. As such you display all the signs of someone who has assumed the mantle of the therapized and projects it upon all and sundry.

Yes, because you just broke it up into two separate quotes. In addition this last sentence of yours is evidence as to why another's meaning, you should never believe, is contained in your response, as clearly you're stating that you refuse to use the accepted normal usage of words, and create your own instead. You are definitely confused, my friend!

What on earth are you talking about? Please explain in plain and simple English.

Subterfuge, in the face of your assertion that it's as easy as buying apples and oranges at the market. ...

See what I mean! I apologised and accepted my error but then did a little research that appeared to show that guns are easy to obtain in America which is the whole point as they are not over here which is why, I think, is a fair reason for why we are not killing each other in droves.

You seem to 'always' meander like this, not capable of understanding that my response's are always contextually pertinent to that which you have said. And this is a clear example of how humans cloud the waters of meaning to save face so as not to see their real self in their mirror. Don't worry, every human does this, why should you be an exception? Though I'm sure some do it more than others, those that have much more of themselves to fear, of course.

That'll be you then, as you appear incapable of following trains of thought and then returning to the point.

Details that really have no significance, except to one that seeks to assert some sort of dominance, as if memorization of details are necessary/worthy of memorization. ...

LMFAO!!

It would seem I remember more about you than you do about me, which gives me great advantage.

Of course we all do this as well, so as to give the appearance of besting the opponent. All that's important to remember in such a situation, is how to identify people that would do such a thing, so as to not be had by such people. It's not couples to be wary of, rather Muslim extremist's, which can be discerned with close scrutiny and then applied caution.

Can it really, you telling me you can spot a muslim extremist can you? What gave them away the black outfits and the assault rifles?

You don't think that killing, potentially innocents as to ones cause, because surely the victims weren't interviewed before they were killed, is fucked up, rather just people of different mindsets. Wow, it would seem that the real loon has shown their face. What if it was your kids that were killed, would their killers still simply be those of different mindsets. Your characterization of people so base is surely kind in the face of their heinous crimes. Harsh crimes deserve harsh words attached to the perpetrators, surely!

Then we should use very harsh words towards the U.S. as the last few decades you have been responsible for the deaths of millions of innocent people.

You have a crystal ball and can see into the future, can you? Just you again, taking a wild baseless stab at your opponent, because of your fear and ignorance. Understood these days as par for Arising's course, which in fact becomes more and more like a simple game of putt-putt, every day. If that's all you aspire to be, so be it, your choice!

And what do you aspire to? What have you ever actually done about your beliefs about the world, the environment, the other animals facing extinction, etc?

Are you telling me that one would be unable to buy a mini-gun from a private seller in America?

And I'm sure that he spoke of all of humanity, throughout history! What say you now, imperialist dog! So it is, if I'm to lump you into a generalized form of a Brit, as you and others do, with respect to Americans, here at the PNF. Your historical record is just as tainted as all the rest. Cut the youngest a break, as your, so called, country, has had much more time to work things out.

No he didn't, he spoke about American society and then generalised it to include other societies today, all I did was point out that what is happening over there is not happening so much here and that by 'n' large we are not slaughtering ourselves in the way you appear to be doing.

The fact that there is a historical record that you ignore says droves about you as a nation, not least that you actually ignore your own war history.

One-Percenters is a new term that represents the one percent richest in the US that largely, are also those in control. The ones that spoil the rest.

They certainly do spoil you, in the old days you'd have nowhere near the wealth and freedom you now have.

Never said that I thought it, I'm saying that the majority of people do.

No, you didn't.

And you know what is said of expectations right. "The wants and desires of a selfish mind, are expectations."

Are they? Me I think that if my loved ones don't think about the present they buy me then it reflects the level of thought they have for me. But then I don't really expect presents in the first place and tend to make it a rule that they save their money and don't buy me any.

What a bit of foolishness you utter, as if you can read their minds so as to actually know, with 100% certainty, what it is that they find 'more' endearing. But then I've known for quite some time that what it is that you convey serves to bloat your self image severely out of proportion. Again very common.

I think you just don't pay attention to what people say they want.

There is no such thing as a selfless act, PERIOD! However ones selfish act in their giving/sacrificing themselves for another so as to witness their joy, is far purer, than ones selfish act meant only to serve themselves at the others expense. It's ironic that you should mention this as you exemplify the latter almost continually here at the PNF. I see no evidence whatsoever, that the former applies to you at all. At least not in the way that you argue.

There's pretty much no such thing as a selfish one either, it's all a hangover from religious claptrap. All there are are positive intentions.

[Bill Wiltrack]

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Look, we saved your ass as a country & I saved your ass a number of times on this web site.



All I'm asking is that you kiss my ass a few times...Is that too much to ask?





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