CHild Poverty

[Obvious Leo]

If you live in a country where expressing an out-of-vogue opinion is likely to put you at risk of imprisonment then you should show some balls and get the fuck out of it. You might develop a more enlightened view about the nature of political correctness if you were yourself a refugee and thus a victim of oppression.

[Obvious Leo]

There is ample evidence that gender equity provides for significant benefits in all forms of political as well as corporate governance. It is plain bollocks to suggest that seeking such gender balances across all levels of society is nothing more than a pursuit of some meaningless ideological principle. It's actually plain common sense and Trudeau is to be congratulated for showing the sort of leadership which citizens are entitled to expect of their elected governments.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

If you live in a country where expressing an out-of-vogue opinion is likely to put you at risk of imprisonment then you should show some balls and get the fuck out of it. You might develop a more enlightened view about the nature of political correctness if you were yourself a refugee and thus a victim of oppression.

Listen moron. I'm anti-war. If the fucking US hadn't invaded and arse-raped Iraq we wouldn't have this problem. Why do you keep giving such shallow and stupid non-responses? I asked you a very simple question.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

There is ample evidence that gender equity provides for significant benefits in all forms of political as well as corporate governance. It is plain bollocks to suggest that seeking such gender balances across all levels of society is nothing more than a pursuit of some meaningless ideological principle. It's actually plain common sense and Trudeau is to be congratulated for showing the sort of leadership which citizens are entitled to expect of their elected governments.

You nauseating little turd. The ONLY criteria for getting ANY job should be the ability to do it. Being born a woman is NOT a disability! Women have gained the dubious achievement of power on their own merits all over the world. They don't need a helping hand from patronising and mis-guided turds.

[Obvious Leo]

Ask your question again, please, VT. It was obviously buried somewhere within your bilious invective and I seem to have missed it.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

Ask your question again, please, VT. It was obviously buried somewhere within your bilious invective and I seem to have missed it.

How very convenient. PC fuckhead.

[Obvious Leo]

The ONLY criteria for getting ANY job should be the ability to do it.

If you were to read my comments with a more impartial mindset you'll discover that this is exactly the point I'm making.

Women have gained the dubious achievement of power on their own merits all over the world.

I agree that there are many examples where this is the case.

They don't need a helping hand from patronising and mis-guided turds.

Equal opportunity is not the same thing as a helping hand.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

The ONLY criteria for getting ANY job should be the ability to do it.

If you were to read my comments with a more impartial mindset you'll discover that this is exactly the point I'm making.

Women have gained the dubious achievement of power on their own merits all over the world.

I agree that there are many examples where this is the case.

They don't need a helping hand from patronising and mis-guided turds.

Equal opportunity is not the same thing as a helping hand.

I give up. I learnt to stop banging my head arguing with creationists, and this is exactly the same.

[Obvious Leo]

VT. If we relate your inflexibility on this point to the OP what you imply is that children born into a life of poverty should sink or swim on their own merits and the society at large bears no responsibility towards them. How well would you say this policy has been working out for the past few decades?

[vegetariantaxidermy]

VT. If we relate your inflexibility on this point to the OP what you imply is that children born into a life of poverty should sink or swim on their own merits and the society at large bears no responsibility towards them. How well would you say this policy has been working out for the past few decades?

If that's what you 'get' from my posts then you are even stupider than I thought. You are simply twisting my words. There's nothing wrong with helping those in genuine need. That's what living in a decent, evolved society is all about. That has nothing whatsoever to do with what I'm talking about. As a matter of fact the politically correct are actually fucking things up for those in need, by being so nauseating that they are pushing people to the 'right'.

[Hobbes' Choice]

The ONLY criteria for getting ANY job should be the ability to do it.

If you were to read my comments with a more impartial mindset you'll discover that this is exactly the point I'm making.

Women have gained the dubious achievement of power on their own merits all over the world.

I agree that there are many examples where this is the case.

They don't need a helping hand from patronising and mis-guided turds.

Equal opportunity is not the same thing as a helping hand.

I think it usually is.
The state providing education and health care free at the point of access is to some NO help if they, or their class is in the habit of paying for such thing for themselves. But for most, the state is effectively helping.
The phrase "helping hand" is likely to be on the lips of those that usually pay for themselves; the worst of whom might also add "scroungers" or hand-outs.
The capitalist system is very good at impoverishing the majority of people that tend to do all the work; whilst providing a free ride for those that are rich enough to make money from having money and not having to work.

Social leveling, or mitigating the tendency to inequality, is the minimum requirement of any democratic system.

[Obvious Leo]

Social leveling, or mitigating the tendency to inequality, is the minimum requirement of any democratic system.

This is the point I was seeking to make. The current system is heavily skewed towards offering the "helping hand" to those who need it the least, a tendency which has been markedly exacerbated even in my own lifetime. Income inequality has steadily increased since the 1950s and all the adverse social indicators have increased accordingly. I need hardly catalogue all of these but child poverty is obviously closely related to family breakdown, crime, mental illness, substance abuse, violence etc, all of which are more prevalent in the less privileged sectors of the wider community. In my own society this problem is becoming steadily worse and my own society is by no means the most extreme example of this.

What I particularly resent is an accusation of hypocrisy being levelled at me when I express my dismay at this just because I am myself a member of this privileged minority. I don't regard myself as under any obligation to feel guilty about my own accident of birth, but I certainly do regard myself as obliged to speak out against the unfair advantage this has conferred on me and thus and do what I can to mitigate against it.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

Social leveling, or mitigating the tendency to inequality, is the minimum requirement of any democratic system.

This is the point I was seeking to make. The current system is heavily skewed towards offering the "helping hand" to those who need it the least, a tendency which has been markedly exacerbated even in my own lifetime. Income inequality has steadily increased since the 1950s and all the adverse social indicators have increased accordingly. I need hardly catalogue all of these but child poverty is obviously closely related to family breakdown, crime, mental illness, substance abuse, violence etc, all of which are more prevalent in the less privileged sectors of the wider community. In my own society this problem is becoming steadily worse and my own society is by no means the most extreme example of this.

What I particularly resent is an accusation of hypocrisy being levelled at me when I express my dismay at this just because I am myself a member of this privileged minority. I don't regard myself as under any obligation to feel guilty about my own accident of birth, but I certainly do regard myself as obliged to speak out against the unfair advantage this has conferred on me and thus and do what I can to mitigate against it.

You just don't get it.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

As a white, middle-class heterosexual man I understand perfectly well what it means to be a member of a protected clique within our society. I have never seen any evidence that people are too scared for reasons of political correctness to draw attention to the fact that the privileges which I enjoy as a member of this clique are undeserved. Is this not the sort of protected group you had in mind?

Just because you have some kind of wet, misplaced guilt over being born a 'white, middle-class ('class' in Australia?) homosexual man' doesn't mean everyone does.

[Hobbes' Choice]

Veg and Leo, I'm not sure what you are arguing about, but I think you agree about the main issue.