Although we know ... we don't

Is there a God? If so, what is She like?

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AiR
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Although we know ... we don't

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Although we know, we don't - isn’t it strange?

This statement itself sounds so funny. But it is true because though we know the reality - the truth that we are not this body but the divine spirit, though we know that it is only the body that will die, be buried, be cremated and that we really don’t die, we don’t live that way. Therefore, this statement - although we know, we don't.

If we truly knew and understood, then we would not live the way that we live now. We live as the body. We pamper the body, we let the body control us as if the body is supreme, when in reality, the body is not supreme. It is the soul, our prana, our energy, our atman that is supreme. Our true life is not the physical and the gross body, our true life is the divine spirit.

The irony, the paradox of it all is that we know. We know that we are not the body, we know that we are the divine spirit, the power within, but still don’t live that way.

Why is it that we behave as if we don’t know when actually we know? Why is it that although we know, we don’t live that way?

This is the problem with human beings. Most of the problems are rooted in the mind, the senses, personality traits and habits. They all combine to make the character that we are. Because we are a particular character or we have been brought up in a certain way and our belief systems become fixed, we are unable to mould ourselves, change ourselves and be what we should be, that we know we must be. Unfortunately, although we know what we should be, what we must be, we continue to be who we are because we do not have the courage to change. It is so important not just to know but to be and when you be, then you truly know. Let us try to walk our talk, which is to live the truth that we know.

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"we let the body control us as if the body is supreme, when in reality, the body is not supreme"

Not quite. If the body was supreme then we wouldn't let it control us. We could just go and enjoy ourselves. When you get older, especially, the body has a way of getting your attention. I find it hard to remember a time when nothing hurt or felt uncomfortable.

My body is a fair bit of work but it does plenty for me without my knowledge. It's quite a biomachine - absolutely worthy of respect. In fact, it's a thing of wonder when you consider the evolved complexity of its processes. The never-ending microbial wars going on inside of us as we type, with our macrophages stoutly protecting us from invading bacteria, fungi and viruses. There's all manner of regulation and ingenious controls and mechanisms going on.

So I think the main problem with human beings is we need more time to get our act together, to form mature and humane societies.
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This thread's only confusion is based on a fallacy. Drop the fallacy and the thread disappears.

You don't have any warrant to assume that you are more than your physical body. It is based on an out-of-date assumption of duality born of Christian ideology and finally expostulated as a doctrine by Descartes. Dualism no longer has and philosophical credibility and in now firmly relegated to the realms of religious fantasy.
It has been replaced by a more precise and detailed knowlege of the physical (The interactions of matter/energy), upon which life depends. Life is an energetic organisation of matter.
You chose to see the mind and body as separate. This is a legacy of medieval and ancient superstitions of matter being imbued with an animating, but incorporeal force. This was due to a complete ignorance of the amazing and complex design of matter, the function of the organs and tissues and especially the brain. NONE of which was understood in ancient times in any detail. The heart was thought to be animated by an emotional force, but we now know that it is not the seat of the emotions and personality ,and that its functions are sufficient unto itself. Rather than it being an organ which brought blood into existence Harvey showed it to be little more than a pump.
The brain, once thought to be an organ whose function was to cool the blood, we now know that it structure is far more complicated than we ever could have imagined and that the personality, memories, knowledge, and wisdom is all stored there for use.
By necessity, you loose parts of the brain and those things disappear for ever.
There is no ghost in the machine.

Your assumption is a legacy of times past when there was no science of biology. You just need to catch up a bit.
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