The Axiom Of Identity *Challenged*

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Arising_uk wrote:
Moyo wrote:Everyone :

Are we all idealist yet? ...
No, at least not in the sense that a 'God' is needed to support those ideas that are not sourced from us, i,e, perceptions.
I need to move on to juicyer material.
Who's stopping you?
Whats stopping me is that you are all not idealists.
Being idealist does not mean being a theist...step by step i will show you.
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Arising_uk wrote: If you were to translate that underlined you have to use the word "is'" then you will be in the teritory "a is..."

Or I could say, if that is a brick then that is a brick or that is a brick or that is not a brick but it cannot both be a brick and not a brick.
As soon as you say "is" you are back in the realm of the axiom of identity and not really in predicate conceptualism
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Moyo wrote:Whats stopping me is that you are all not idealists. ...
You think you can do better than the Bishop?
Being idealist does not mean being a theist...step by step i will show you.
You'll be needing a bigger mind to put it all in but I agree it doesn't have to be the Judeo-Christian 'God' although earlier you did mention 'God'?
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Moyo wrote:As soon as you say "is" you are back in the realm of the axiom of identity and not really in predicate conceptualism
I'd have thought I'd have been back in the realm of existence or being?
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Arising_uk wrote:
Moyo wrote:Whats stopping me is that you are all not idealists. ...
You think you can do better than the Bishop?
Being idealist does not mean being a theist...step by step i will show you.
You'll be needing a bigger mind to put it all in but I agree it doesn't have to be the Judeo-Christian 'God' although earlier you did mention 'God'?
I said theist meaning you could be an idealist and still an atheist.We could all be in each others minds.
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Arising_uk wrote:
Moyo wrote:As soon as you say "is" you are back in the realm of the axiom of identity and not really in predicate conceptualism
I'd have thought I'd have been back in the realm of existence or being?
The axiom of identity ushers in the realm of existance by Exiatance IS Existance.
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Arising_uk wrote:Moyo wrote:
Everyone :

Are we all idealist yet? ...
No, at least not in the sense that a 'God' is needed to support those ideas that are not sourced from us, i,e, perceptions.
Which part arent you getting?
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Moyo wrote:I said theist meaning you could be an idealist and still an atheist.We could all be in each others minds.
We could but there'd still be things that are in none of our minds.

I'm puzzled by why earlier on you said you had proved 'God' exists or did I read this wrong?
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Moyo wrote:The axiom of identity ushers in the realm of existance by Exiatance IS Existance.
And yet in Philosophy it's been argued that 'is' is not a predicate so you cannot use it this way. You appear to think symbols exist before the things?
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Moyo wrote:Which part arent you getting?
The part that seems to be perception.
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Arising_uk wrote:
Moyo wrote:I said theist meaning you could be an idealist and still an atheist.We could all be in each others minds.
We could but there'd still be things that are in none of our minds.

I'm puzzled by why earlier on you said you had proved 'God' exists or did I read this wrong?
Thats why i said step by step...we're getting there.
Arising_uk wrote: Moyo wrote:The axiom of identity ushers in the realm of existance by Exiatance IS Existance.

And yet in Philosophy it's been argued that 'is' is not a predicate so you cannot use it this way. You appear to think symbols exist before the things?
But you used it implicitly in your proposition.
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Moyo wrote:Which part arent you getting?
The part that seems to be perception.
Perceptions have something to do with concepts. As soon as you think of that part of whats being perceived that you think has nothing to do with concepts it cant help but have something to do with concepts .
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heed this riddle well ..for in it lies the path to the truth

IF ONLY CONCEPTS EXIST..WHAT IS THE CONCEPT OF A TREE BUT A CONCEPT OF A CONCEPT OF A TREE AND THAT ALSO IS A CONCEPT OF A CONCEPT OF A CONCEPT OF A TREE

So Ultimately a concept of a tree is meaningless. But what of the concept "ultimately" ..if it is also ultimately meaningless then we can never reach ultimatality. so there is no meaning in the construct.Even within the regress.
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I am reminded of this quote from Schiller : "Against stupidity the gods themselves battle in vain."
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A_Seagull wrote:I am reminded of this quote from Schiller : "Against stupidity the gods themselves battle in vain."
We do yes. #dewa
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A_Seagull wrote:I am reminded of this quote from Schiller : "Against stupidity the gods themselves battle in vain."
MAYBE IF you HAD READ THE WHOLE THREAD you WOULD UNDERSTAND WHY yours IS THE ONLY REPLY WHILE THE CAT HAS everyone else TONGUE
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