Never regret, Never apologise.

[SpheresOfBalance]

Regret. Apologize. Regret apologizing. Apologize for regretting.
AAAhhhh Learning, change, I think you hit the nail on the head.

Rinse. Repeat.

Then again, maybe not!

[Dalek Prime]

Regret. Apologize. Regret apologizing. Apologize for regretting.
AAAhhhh Learning, change, I think you hit the nail on the head.

Rinse. Repeat.

Then again, maybe not!

I always add that. I love old commercials, especially shampoo ones

[SpheresOfBalance]

Regret. Apologize. Regret apologizing. Apologize for regretting.
AAAhhhh Learning, change, I think you hit the nail on the head.

Rinse. Repeat.

Then again, maybe not!

I always add that. I love old commercials, especially shampoo ones

Actually some comedy troop did a skit on it, that resulted in an empty shampoo bottle, initially full, ending in confusion.

[Dalek Prime]

What a great way to sell more shampoo. Use twice as much. I wonder how many obsessive-compulsive personalities follow the directions?

[TheBlitheringOne]

Apologies...firstly, they are a reaction. You step on someone's toe, you say "I'm sorry". Why? To quickly allow that person that got their toe stepped on that you didn't do it intentionally. It's a kindness. You can devalue/deconstruct kindnesses all you want but it seems far more rational to buy into the whole "kindness" movement. Secondly, we apologize to show that we aren't perfect beings. There have been many times I think I'm right or not being offensive but I find out that I was wrong and/or being offensive. To say "I'm sorry" in those situations show that you are a creature capable of maturity. It shows that you realize that you aren't as of yet complete. Compassion is an awesome thing. To condemn apologizing because of your opinions of Christianity is juvenile. It proves that your understanding of Christianity is incomplete. It's not about shame or blame. It's about feeling a bit of sympathy for those you upset or hurt.

Atheism isn't a form of maturation. Firstly, Atheism is nothing. Secondly, Atheism has been used by jerks to devalue so much awesome stuff. (Understand that I'm somewhere between Atheist, Satanist, don't-really-care-ist) I don't understand why being a jerk about someone's religion makes you a better person. I fully understand why one gets caught up in the jerky side of Atheism...I've been there. Tho, it's temporary. There's more to learn from Christianity than there is to hate. If you consider yourself a philosopher, then you are claiming that you have a mind that can wrap itself around complex ideas. But, you take yet another stab at Christianity...the same stab that people have been taking for years and years!

You say that you'd rather explain than apologize. An apology is a 3 word explanation: I am sorry. As you can already tell from my loquacity, I like explaining things and sometimes explaining is better than apologizing for it allows your perception of reality to be known, but sometimes...probably half the time...your side of the story is moot. To apologize is to understand that being sanctimonious if often foolish.

"I'm sorry" can also be a weapon, in a way. Sometimes it's best to do what's easiest. There are many moments in life where it's just plain easier to say I'm sorry and avoid a disputation. I mean: If you were someone that said I'm sorry from time to time, I wouldn't have had to point out a bit of common sense to you. Surely, you can take this short lesson and completely disregard it but that's what I assume you'll do because you think apologizing is stupid or whatever. Apologizing is not a weakness, it's an ability.

Regretting...another bit of something you seem to not fully understand. If you truly regretted anything, you wouldn't bash regret. It's awesome that you aren't living with the memory of something you'd do anything to change. You are truly lucky in that respect. Tho, it's a lack of respect that's causing you to tear into those that do regret.

Finally, to quote you: "...so grow up."

[SpheresOfBalance]

I agree with TheBlitheringOne, apologies are not for you they are for the other one, and that's how any wise, self respecting, thus respecting of others kind of teacher, should teach their class. Anything less and the teacher has cheated them, as well as themselves.

[Hobbes' Choice]

[quote="Hobbes' Choice"
You can't reason with a mentally ill person. Leaving the window open was not my mistake, it was my stepfathers...who she divorced because, "he was trying to have her killed. "

I know I've got a brother who has been schizophrenic since 1978.[/quote]
Looks like you're more like your brother than you believe. Except that I feel sorry for him![/quote]

You are a complete fucking ****.
What a sad little fucker you are.

[SpheresOfBalance]

[quote="Hobbes' Choice"
You can't reason with a mentally ill person. Leaving the window open was not my mistake, it was my stepfathers...who she divorced because, "he was trying to have her killed. "

I know I've got a brother who has been schizophrenic since 1978.

Looks like you're more like your brother than you believe. Except that I feel sorry for him![/quote]

You are a complete fucking ****.
What a sad little fucker you are.[/quote]
So what, if I feel sorry for your brother, and not you, are you jealous? Didn't you get it, I was saying that I felt sorry for your brother because of you, not his illness. You my foe, have been an ass on more than one occasion. No not just with me, with many others as well. As I do with everyone, I've watched you, not that I make it a point, rather just in passing. Your attitude towards others largely sucks. You know it's possible to make your case without being condescending or demeaning, right. So I guess that not only do I feel sorry for your brother and former students, but the people here at the PNF as well.

Here's the thing, "hobbes very last choice," I'll bury the hatchet once I see you being nicer to your opponents. Cold day in hell right? And so be it then? We'll both be stubborn assholes.

[Hobbes' Choice]

We'll both be stubborn assholes. [/color]

You are a clueless wanker, not fit to mention by brother.
As far as your arse goes , you can stick your own head up it, as that is where it belongs.

[SpheresOfBalance]

We'll both be stubborn assholes. [/color]

You are a clueless wanker, not fit to mention by brother.
You mentioned your brother, dipshit! If you couldn't then handle I or another referencing his existence, why then mention that he did, fool? Your type, as evident in this response, are a dime a dozen losers, punks, that find anything they can in anyones words, so as to try and charge an inept mind.

As far as your arse goes , you can stick your own head up it, as that is where it belongs.
So says the boy that finds his manhood in an inanimate object, sheesh, some peoples kids! Up your arse, I'm sure you place it!

[Vor]

I think Hobbes, it is sometimes not so clear cut.
If one regrets, they are only expressing that they wish the event did not happen, but that does not mean they are accepting any wrongdoing.
The difference between apology and regret is very important and an example of what I mean is, in Australia, the Prime Minister, John Howard refused to apologise to the Aboriginal people for the forced removal of their children,(stolen generation), he expressed regret, but doggedly refused to apologise. This apology was very much needed by the Aboriginal people for more than one reason and was demanded for many years to no avail. So what is the difference or the importance of these two words. Apology includes an admission of wrong doing of the person/government. In the case of the Australian Prime Minister to be forthcoming with an apology would have meant that the government would be legally liable for compensation. Regret in this example merely expressed the wish that it had not happened, without any wrongdoing on the part of the government. An apology in this example was vitally important more so than regret. Ultimately an apology was forthcoming from a new Prime Minister and it was for the Koori people, similar to a great weight lifted from the shoulders of those victims of such a heinous crime, it also made a clear statement that they are deserving of equal treatment. It was a day of celebration.

[Hobbes' Choice]

We'll both be stubborn assholes. [/color]

You are a clueless wanker, not fit to mention by brother.
You mentioned your brother, dipshit! ]

I was talking to someone else. You butted in with you helpful piece of shit.

[Hobbes' Choice]

I think Hobbes, it is sometimes not so clear cut.
If one regrets, they are only expressing that they wish the event did not happen, but that does not mean they are accepting any wrongdoing.
The difference between apology and regret is very important and an example of what I mean is, in Australia, the Prime Minister, John Howard refused to apologise to the Aboriginal people for the forced removal of their children,(stolen generation), he expressed regret, but doggedly refused to apologise. This apology was very much needed by the Aboriginal people for more than one reason and was demanded for many years to no avail. So what is the difference or the importance of these two words. Apology includes an admission of wrong doing of the person/government. In the case of the Australian Prime Minister to be forthcoming with an apology would have meant that the government would be legally liable for compensation. Regret in this example merely expressed the wish that it had not happened, without any wrongdoing on the part of the government. An apology in this example was vitally important more so than regret. Ultimately an apology was forthcoming from a new Prime Minister and it was for the Koori people, similar to a great weight lifted from the shoulders of those victims of such a heinous crime, it also made a clear statement that they are deserving of equal treatment. It was a day of celebration.

It was not his responsibility. The regret was meaningless and the apology empty.

If he thinks the Aboriginal people have been mistreated, as he should, then he should take ACTION to help them in any ways he can. Actions speak louder than words.
The government ought to do much more for them. An apology is just window dressing.

[Vor]

Hobbs wrote

It was not his responsibility. The regret was meaningless and the apology empty.

As the leader of the country he is the representative of the people and supposedly has the power to change things. The new incoming Prime Minister recognised that there was a movement towards the necessity of an apology and took action. Even then there were people who disagreed with the gesture, nevertheless speaking to some of the Aboriginal people, the apology which had been sought after for many years, was very meaningful to them and very important. Aboriginal people across all Australia were deeply moved and in tears, they are a proud people and it was a long time coming, but they did not give up.

The regret I think was meaningless, only in the sense, that it now had repercussions in a monetary sense, in the form of compensation.

If he thinks the Aboriginal people have been mistreated, as he should, then he should take ACTION to help them in any ways he can. Actions speak louder than words.

The poor, the uneducated are most of the time, the brunt of many forms of mistreatment. It took fifty odd years to publicly recognise the damage that had been done to the Koori people and they were paid off, to bring an end to the matter, which in reality could never make good what has been done and the compensation was only a secondary concern for the Aboriginal people, it was the Apology they sought.

The government ought to do much more for them. An apology is just window dressing.

The government should give them the opportunity of a good education, which would be only a beginning.

[Hobbes' Choice]

Hobbs wrote

It was not his responsibility. The regret was meaningless and the apology empty.

As the leader of the country he is the representative of the people and supposedly has the power to change things. The new incoming Prime Minister recognised that there was a movement towards the necessity of an apology and took action. Even then there were people who disagreed with the gesture, nevertheless speaking to some of the Aboriginal people, the apology which had been sought after for many years, was very meaningful to them and very important. Aboriginal people across all Australia were deeply moved and in tears, they are a proud people and it was a long time coming, but they did not give up.

The regret I think was meaningless, only in the sense, that it now had repercussions in a monetary sense, in the form of compensation.

If he thinks the Aboriginal people have been mistreated, as he should, then he should take ACTION to help them in any ways he can. Actions speak louder than words.

The poor, the uneducated are most of the time, the brunt of many forms of mistreatment. It took fifty odd years to publicly recognise the damage that had been done to the Koori people and they were paid off, to bring an end to the matter, which in reality could never make good what has been done and the compensation was only a secondary concern for the Aboriginal people, it was the Apology they sought.

The government ought to do much more for them. An apology is just window dressing.

The government should give them the opportunity of a good education, which would be only a beginning.

Ken Colbung, and the case of Kaggan's head, is emblematic is the shoddy mistreatment and shockingly insensitive attitudes of White settlers to those they like to regard as primitive people.
No amount of apologising, expressing regret is going to cut it.