Poppies

[vegetariantaxidermy]

You are so brave sitting there behind your computer but unless you actually go out and buy a white poppy as I have said
you have no courage. Not that you should require any in order to purchase one but in your case apparently so given how
much of a big deal you are making over it. So I tell you what. As soon as I see anyone selling them I shall go and buy one
myself. Then you have no reason not to do likewise. They will be on sale next month so after that you have zero excuse

What a fucking stupid non-sequitur. Or is that deliberate? I made one mention of white poppies among screeds of other points. The point is not about whether I wear one, but about how threatened the war machine is by them. The only reason I would consider it is to counter the warmongering bullshit that the red poppy symbolizes. Otherwise, I find wearing political statements on your chest to be rather self indulgent.

[surreptitious57]

You are so brave sitting there behind your computer but unless you actually go out and buy a white poppy as I have said
you have no courage. Not that you should require any in order to purchase one but in your case apparently so given how
much of a big deal you are making over it. So I tell you what. As soon as I see anyone selling them I shall go and buy one
myself. Then you have no reason not to do likewise. They will be on sale next month so after that you have zero excuse

What a fucking stupid non sequitur. Or is that deliberate? I made one mention of white poppies among screeds of other points. The point is
not about whether I wear one but about how threatened the war machine is by them. The only reason I would consider it is to counter the warmongering bullshit that the red poppy symbolizes. Otherwise I find wearing political statement on your chest to be rather self indulgent

Most of your points are entirely ridiculous. You keep on insisting that the red poppy symbolises war when it most definitely does not
It is there to remind us of the horror of war. You call our soldiers thugs yet seem incapable of realising that it is politicians who are
actually responsible for all the wars in our history. Soldiers just have to fight them. You also denigrate the work of the Royal British
Legion and know next to nothing about what it actually does. So if you feel that strongly about this issue as you clearly do then you
should have no problem in buying a white poppy. And if you refuse to then your rant on here makes absolutely no sense at all. Your
original post was completely over the top. So given how you do feel about this you have no reason to not go out and simply buy one
You do not have to wear it if do not want to but to not want to purchase one after your rant here makes as much sense as that does

[Obvious Leo]

As an Oz and I imagine a strict republican looking back to the old country tends to be coloured with your anti-imperialist goggles.

No doubt, but my anti-imperialism is rather benign and probably no more than typical of the average Aussie. We don't tend to carry a grudge beyond its due date and the fact that we are still shackled to the British monarchy is seen more as a deficiency in our own national character rather than generating any antipathy towards the Brits. It all happened a long time ago, after all. Our most overt and strident patriotism is reserved for sporting contests, yet even this is mostly in bluster and fun and tempered with a good deal of respect.

If anything we fall under the imperial sway of the US far more than we do the British and this is virulently rejected by the majority of our population. The geo-political influence of the US is seen as bad enough but the cultural hegemony makes most people want to puke and the way much of our commercial media panders to it even more so.

Then you have to think about the historically unprecedented anti-Vietnam movement in the 60s and 70s in the USA,- possibly the most vociferous and largest anti-war movement in history.

Social movements can rise and fall very quickly and I was very much a child of that era. I still mourn the loss of the flower children, the white poppy brigade of their era. They showed courage and resilience in the face of ridicule and hatred and yet they left no lasting legacy to withstand the inexorable march to supremacy of wealth and power.

"Where have all the flowers gone?"....Pete Seeger

But wait - there is a small matter of history. Fact is there were more dissenters from the old country in WW1 that from OZ,

I'm not sure about this but I'll take your word for it because it's unsurprising. There was certainly a rush of young men eager to volunteer to fight for king and country but these were mostly uneducated farm lads looking for adventure. They had no idea what they were letting themselves in for and I do know that the Anzacs lost more men per head of population in WWI than other nations involved in the conflict. None of it had anything to do with us and if that can't bring a tear to the eye then we have hearts of stone. They were just kids.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

You are so brave sitting there behind your computer but unless you actually go out and buy a white poppy as I have said
you have no courage. Not that you should require any in order to purchase one but in your case apparently so given how
much of a big deal you are making over it. So I tell you what. As soon as I see anyone selling them I shall go and buy one
myself. Then you have no reason not to do likewise. They will be on sale next month so after that you have zero excuse

What a fucking stupid non sequitur. Or is that deliberate? I made one mention of white poppies among screeds of other points. The point is
not about whether I wear one but about how threatened the war machine is by them. The only reason I would consider it is to counter the warmongering bullshit that the red poppy symbolizes. Otherwise I find wearing political statement on your chest to be rather self indulgent

Most of your points are entirely ridiculous. You keep on insisting that the red poppy symbolises war when it most definitely does not
It is there to remind us of the horror of war. You call our soldiers thugs yet seem incapable of realising that it is politicians who are
actually responsible for all the wars in our history. Soldiers just have to fight them. You also denigrate the work of the Royal British
Legion and know next to nothing about what it actually does. So if you feel that strongly about this issue as you clearly do then you
should have no problem in buying a white poppy. And if you refuse to then your rant on here makes absolutely no sense at all. Your
original post was completely over the top. So given how you do feel about this you have no reason to not go out and simply buy one
You do not have to wear it if do not want to but to not want to purchase one after your rant here makes as much sense as that does

You are obviously an idiot. Nothing I said is untrue. White poppies have to be on sale for me to 'buy' them you moron.

[surreptitious57]

White poppies have to be on sale for me to buy them you moron

They are on sale and so you can buy them or did you not know this

[vegetariantaxidermy]

White poppies have to be on sale for me to buy them you moron

They are on sale and so you can buy them or did you not know this

If I see them for sale I will definitely buy a whole lot to distribute. I don't know where you are from and you don't know where I'm from. What's for sale in your country isn't necessarily the case in mine.

[surreptitious57]

The Peace Pledge Union last year ran out of them so great was the demand for them because it was the centenary
anniversary of the beginning of World War One. And they have been sold here for eighty one years and so they are
nothing new. You can order them online in packs or boxes of between five to one hundred. There will probably be
another great demand in three years time as that shall be the centenary anniversary of the end of World War One

[vegetariantaxidermy]

The Peace Pledge Union last year ran out of them so great was the demand for them because it was the centenary
anniversary of the beginning of World War One. And they have been sold here for eighty one years and so they are
nothing new. You can order them online in packs or boxes of between five to one hundred. There will probably be
another great demand in three years time as that shall be the centenary anniversary of the end of World War One

That's good to hear. I didn't know there was any such thing until quite recently.

[Hobbes' Choice]

As an Oz and I imagine a strict republican looking back to the old country tends to be coloured with your anti-imperialist goggles.

No doubt, but my anti-imperialism is rather benign and probably no more than typical of the average Aussie. We don't tend to carry a grudge beyond its due date and the fact that we are still shackled to the British monarchy is seen more as a deficiency in our own national character rather than generating any antipathy towards the Brits. It all happened a long time ago, after all. Our most overt and strident patriotism is reserved for sporting contests, yet even this is mostly in bluster and fun and tempered with a good deal of respect.

If anything we fall under the imperial sway of the US far more than we do the British and this is virulently rejected by the majority of our population. The geo-political influence of the US is seen as bad enough but the cultural hegemony makes most people want to puke and the way much of our commercial media panders to it even more so.

Then you have to think about the historically unprecedented anti-Vietnam movement in the 60s and 70s in the USA,- possibly the most vociferous and largest anti-war movement in history.

Social movements can rise and fall very quickly and I was very much a child of that era. I still mourn the loss of the flower children, the white poppy brigade of their era. They showed courage and resilience in the face of ridicule and hatred and yet they left no lasting legacy to withstand the inexorable march to supremacy of wealth and power.

"Where have all the flowers gone?"....Pete Seeger

But wait - there is a small matter of history. Fact is there were more dissenters from the old country in WW1 that from OZ,

I'm not sure about this but I'll take your word for it because it's unsurprising. There was certainly a rush of young men eager to volunteer to fight for king and country but these were mostly uneducated farm lads looking for adventure. They had no idea what they were letting themselves in for and I do know that the Anzacs lost more men per head of population in WWI than other nations involved in the conflict. None of it had anything to do with us and if that can't bring a tear to the eye then we have hearts of stone. They were just kids.

Colonial prejudices can take funny turns.
I read an anthropology paper about Canadians in Novia Scotia. They had started to learn about the land clearances which sent whole communities of dispossessed Scots across the Atlantic. This instilled the Canadians with some sort of hubris and a romantic notion for the 'old country, a sense of disgust and sympathy for the evil treatment by the aristos. They, most of them fairly well-to-do and educated Canadians but with no more knowledge of their family history than that they had a Scottish surname founded clubs or remembrance in sympathy with the dispossessed thrown out of their bothies and shipped off the a far land - where, incidentally they had potentially prospects, though much initial hardship.

The anthropologist then completes an analysis in the modern "Scots- Canadians" and finds that nearly all of those most sympathetic to the historical cause were in no way related to any of the dispossessed. In fact most of their families had made the journey of their own volition, and were related to the people doing the dispossessing. In effect thinking their ancestors had been mistreated were in fact the ones doing the mistreating!

[Hobbes' Choice]

those who have lost their lives in all conflicts. So it has absolutely nothing at all to do with the glorification of war. You might not
have agreed with Iraq and Afghanistan but you should blame politicians for that not soldiers. For they had no choice in the matter

The fact is, what was once about the war dead of WW1, and most people considered it about the loss of involuntary conscripts, the ceremony is used to hour the dead of all conflicts including those who were volunteers, and those who are professional killers too.
The ceremony is used to perpetuate the myth of Britain warrior nation.
The money now being collected TODAY, is not about helping people but about planting flowers in a field.
You are childishly naive about this issue.

Why not give up on PN and go and buy a few war films?

[vegetariantaxidermy]

Can't stand that warmongering little turd, Prince Harry.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

... which is why we see only nasty personal 'counter non-arguments' on here.

Who's this "we"? Please don't imagine you can speak on behalf of the majority here, veggie. For my part, I think you are a shallow, loud-mouthed and cantankerous fool.

Oooh. Mick stinks doesn't like me. I'm shattered. And for my part, I think you are a creepy and cowardly slimeball who never has a single intelligent point to make, suddenly appearing out of the blue for no particular apparent reason (except to show how much 'better' a person you are).
Good grief. You do realise this thread was written in 2015 don't you? Half the people who posted on it are dead.

[Dachshund]

I've always thought that philosophy was about thinking about things on a below-the-surface level. Every word in that article happens to be true. If that 'hurts the feelings' of some people then tough titty.

Here's what I think of Harry J Bentham:

He's a soft cock, socialist, brain-dead globalist, spineless, faggot (probably transgender).

I'd love to get my hands on him for 15 minutes so I could teach him a lesson in politics.. My Grandfather was shot in New Guinea by Japanese vermin in WW2.

I just wish the Yanks had dropped a few more H- bombs on the Kunts in 1945 for good measure. I can't stand the sight of the bastards in my country.

To continue. Do you realise that third world shit hole you live in is utterly defenceless. It's not worth invading, but suppose, for arguments, sake the Japs or the Chinese or the Russians did invade you. Do you know what would happen to dear little you ? I 'll give you a hint...you'd have a very sore butt very soon, because you'd be "Taken up the aisle" 24/7 for the duration shortly after the invading troops arrived. And don't ask the US or UK to come and save you because they're warmongering capitalist Kunts, right?

Oh yeah, Poppy Day is sponsored by the arms industry. Is that right, Vegetable ? I don't think I've heard such a cretinous claim, since The Sun newspaper announced that a red London double-decker bus had been found on the moon !

Regards

Dachshund

[vegetariantaxidermy]

I've always thought that philosophy was about thinking about things on a below-the-surface level. Every word in that article happens to be true. If that 'hurts the feelings' of some people then tough titty.

Here's what I think of Harry J Bentham:

He's a soft cock, socialist, brain-dead globalist, spineless, faggot (probably transgender).

I'd love to get my hands on him for 15 minutes so I could teach him a lesson in politics.. My Grandfather was shot in New Guinea by Japanese vermin in WW2.

I just wish the Yanks had dropped a few more H- bombs on the Kunts in 1945 for good measure. I can't stand the sight of the bastards in my country.

To continue. Do you realise that third world shit hole you live in is utterly defenceless. It's not worth invading, but suppose, for arguments, sake the Japs or the Chinese or the Russians did invade you. Do you know what would happen to dear little you ? I 'll give you a hint...you'd have a very sore butt very soon, because you'd be "Taken up the aisle" 24/7 for the duration shortly after the invading troops arrived. And don't ask the US or UK to come and save you because they're warmongering capitalist Kunts, right?

Oh yeah, Poppy Day is sponsored by the arms industry. Is that right, Vegetable ? I don't think I've heard such a cretinous claim, since The Sun newspaper announced that a red London double-decker bus had been found on the moon !

Regards

Dachshund

Of course it sponsors poppy days you moron. What the hell do they do with all their millions? All that pro-war propagand costs (A LOT OF) money you know.
Ooh. Your 'grandfather was shot'. My heart bleeds. What an unusual thing to happen to someone who goes off to war. Entirely unexpected It's weird. You loathe any kind of criticism of war, then purport to shed buckets of crocodile tears for stupid kunts who get hurt in them. What a bunch of fuckturds you warmongers are.
What is 'your' country? Aren't you a pommy twat who lives in Australia?
What difference does it make who Harry Bentham is? The fact is that every word he wrote in the article happens to be true.
That's the way with retards like you--you think that something is either true or not depending on your own personal politics.
I'm glad you think that incinerating hundreds of thousands of completely innocent old men, women and children is a wonderful idea. What did any of them have to do with your shit of a grandfather? Unfortunately he must have survived his little mishap because we now have the 'pleasure' of your wonderful philosophical writings to enjoy.
What a waste of air you are.