What is wisdom?

[Kayla]

What would be a major difference between an individual with Wisdom of 18 and Intelligence 10, and one with Wisdom of 10 and Intelligence 18? (I mean, apart from obvious things like extra spells and skills per level and some save modifiers.)

Is it possible to have someone with Intelligence of 3 and Wisdom of 18?

More generally, what is the relationship between intelligence and wisdom?

[Jaded Sage]

WISDOM
(wise-dom)

It’s the superior judgment, understanding,
And application that is based
On both knowledge and experience—
Far surpassing erudition; the quality of being wise.
The antonym is “folly”.

It goes so deep that one may even
Easily ignore one’s own (conditioned) thoughts
Which arise that are unknowable beliefs
Falsely identified as truth and fact
(A second level view: beliefs about beliefs, sort of).

One who has it may be be called a Wiz
(No relation to the magic of a wizard).
Learning feeds it to deal with the quiz.

Some run into the walls of life,
Time and time again, ever bashed and injured,
But never ever learning.

“Wishes” seen but only through one’s own eyes.
“Say” that they ought not to,
That they shouldn’t; but,
Wisdom notes that they still do, the reality—
That they can’t, they don’t, and they won’t.

Such is the human condition for some
That they may be immune to learning,
The curse that prevents the will
From becoming wider and having more choices.

Yet the ultimate vision remains available
For the rest and one day the “some”
May be swept up into its sum.

I don't mean to oppose your experience, but I've yet to meet anyone for whom this isn't the case: the only two hinderences to learning are 'the refusal to learn' and 'the certainty of what is not the case.'

If I refuse to question what I am certain of, I am behaving as if I am correct about everything, when I might not be, and if indeed I am incorrect about something, my certainty prohibits my ever becoming correct, and I remain forever incorrect, thanks to my misplaced certainty and my unwillingness to be open-minded enough to question it.

Surely, open-mindedness is the most easily recognizable sign of intelligence.

[Jaded Sage]

What would be a major difference between an individual with Wisdom of 18 and Intelligence 10, and one with Wisdom of 10 and Intelligence 18? (I mean, apart from obvious things like extra spells and skills per level and some save modifiers.)

Is it possible to have someone with Intelligence of 3 and Wisdom of 18?

More generally, what is the relationship between intelligence and wisdom?

If I remember correctly, my first-go-to source, Aristotle, does not make a distinction between them. He uses the Ancient Greek word "nous" ("mind") which is rendered as intelligence, wisdom, intuition and reason. I might render it as the ability to theorize, or the ability to explain something to oneself.

[Kayla]

i cannot find any references to aristotle in any of my AD&D 3.5, pathfinder, and latest D&D materials

is aristotle a major NPC in some module or another?

obviously there is a difference. if you have wisdom of 18 and intelligence of 10 you can cast clerical spells but not magic-user spells - and vice versa.

is there a difference in other ways?

[Jaded Sage]

i cannot find any references to aristotle in any of my AD&D 3.5, pathfinder, and latest D&D materials

is aristotle a major NPC in some module or another?

obviously there is a difference. if you have wisdom of 18 and intelligence of 10 you can cast clerical spells but not magic-user spells - and vice versa.

is there a difference in other ways?

Nicomachean Ethics - Book 6
Intellectual Virtues or Intellectual Pleasures in Penguine Classics.

Here is the online version, which has been better in places in the past:

http://classics.mit.edu/Aristotle/nicomachaen.6.vi.html

I don't think this comes with the appendix and glossary needed. I do not have my book now. I might find it later. If lucky, I will post a photo of it. Until then, check google books. Or you can just read the text. The section I'm referring to is 7.

[Jaded Sage]

I wonder, fellow seekers of wisdom, has there ever been anything wise or beautiful or priceless about acts of stupidity?

[Kayla]

Nicomachean Ethics - Book 6
Intellectual Virtues or Intellectual Pleasures in Penguine Classics.

ah an unofficial supplement

That is cool.

then, check google books. Or you can just read the text. The section I'm referring to is 7.

so what is the characteristic most helpful to casting clerical spells, and which to casting magic-user spells?

[Jaded Sage]

Nicomachean Ethics

ah an unofficial supplement

That is cool.

A beneficial supplement, and therefore an official supplement among those who know what is of value. Yes, it is very cool to those who are most cool.

[Jaded Sage]

I reread it. Aristotle says 'wisdom is the ability to know what is truly important in life.'

Get this. The Greek "nous" corresponds to the Sanskrit "buddhi." Does that look familiar or similar to anything at all to anyone?

Btw, whoever told you 'skill is wisdom' did you an injustice. Skill is "practical wisdom" or "prudence."

Aaaaaaand science is the apprehension and demonstration what has been apprehended. So omniscience is the "getting" and "showing" of everything, or better yet, the ability to "understand" and "explain" everything.

[Jaded Sage]

What would be a major difference between an individual with Wisdom of 18 and Intelligence 10, and one with Wisdom of 10 and Intelligence 18? (I mean, apart from obvious things like extra spells and skills per level and some save modifiers.)

Is it possible to have someone with Intelligence of 3 and Wisdom of 18?

More generally, what is the relationship between intelligence and wisdom?

Let's change these terms.

• What-Knowledge
• How-Knowledge

[Hobbes' Choice]

What is wisdom?

Wisdom is the skill you learn with age. Those capable of acting with reason, and based on knowledge and experience.
Bringing these things together effectively is wisdom.

[HexHammer]

More generally, what is the relationship between intelligence and wisdom?

Watch the movie Rain Man, he is a super intelligent mathematician, but not a wise person, he isn't intelligent in other areas, that makes a person "of normal intellelect.

[Kayla]

So, the magic-user with Int 18 and Wis 3 is basically a high functioning (or maybe not so high) autistic

what is int 3 and wis 18 cleric like?

[Dalek Prime]

Fucked if I know, and I recently broke up with my ladyfriend. Ergo, I'm not getting fucked.

Sorry. What were we talking about, again?

[Dubious]

Fucked if I know, and I recently broke up with my ladyfriend. Ergo, I'm not getting fucked.

...which means it's the ideal time to become a philosopher.