God: What is your opinion or belief?

[Lacewing]

You have already said the universe is your god. If you aint figured that out, I'm puzzled what you think you are actually saying.

Hobbes, where have I said this? Are you capable of understanding that your comprehension and assessment of other people is severely limited by your own ideas of what's possible and true? You really shouldn't project that onto other people. I don't need to "figure things out" according to your perspective. And no, the universe is NOT a god to me. Is the sky a god to a bird? Is the sun a god to a flower? There are other ways to see and think than your ways... thank goodness. It might be of value for you to be open to that.

[Ali.Mahtab]

I was raised religious.
In iran.
And i was raised to believe in isalm's God.
But now i don't.
There has been simply no valid arguments in favor of islam or any other religion's god.
And in fact there can't be such an argument.
So i got rid of this believe as soon as i coud.

[The Inglorious One]

Both Hobbes and Leo have the habit of making inferences from things never said or implied -- which is why I tend to ignore them (though probably not as much as I should). Why they do this is really something of interest and deserves its own thread.

[Obvious Leo]

Inglorious. You have a bad habit of never answering direct questions which are put to you which naturally leaves people free to draw their own conclusions.

Let's try you on this one. Do you accept that the universe is everything that exists?

[attofishpi]

God exists...and it's a c*nt to (real) sinners.

Gulf of Owe Man.

I wonder what God thinks of you for committing the sin of making him look like an idiot.

God needs to lose weight....and grow a fucking spine.

Does look like an old man. Once you know it exists you soon real eyes God's not spineless.

[Harbal]

Does look like an old man. Once you know it exists you soon real eyes God's not spineless.

If you base your outlook on life on puns, whether verbal or visual, you're going to end up with a strange view of the world, which seems to be born out by your posts.

[Hobbes' Choice]

You have already said the universe is your god. If you aint figured that out, I'm puzzled what you think you are actually saying.

Hobbes, where have I said this? Are you capable of understanding that your comprehension and assessment of other people is severely limited by your own ideas of what's possible and true? You really shouldn't project that onto other people. I don't need to "figure things out" according to your perspective. And no, the universe is NOT a god to me. Is the sky a god to a bird? Is the sun a god to a flower? There are other ways to see and think than your ways... thank goodness. It might be of value for you to be open to that.

You are not thinking very clearly about this.
You said god is everything. This means that your god is the universe. Is there something you do not understand about this?

[Gustav Bjornstrand]

If you base your outlook on life on puns, whether verbal or visual, you're going to end up with a strange view of the world, which seems to be born out by your posts.

I was immediately reminded of the writer Vladimir Nabokov who was fascinated, even a little obsessed, by puns. Let me rewrite your sentence, turn it around a bit:

If you cannot conceive of puns in life, of a 'laughing god who mocks [or instructs] out of the flow of reality itself', you are going to end up with a strange, dry, linear, and in the end 'incorrect' view of life and reality.

Hermann Hesse - a great artist - got to know the Zurich Jungians (and underwent some Jungian analysis for his own purposes). He said of the Jungians: "They do not have the organ of art". Psychological rationalism, analytical skill of a flamboyant sort, yes, but they could not 'get' art and artists. They just didn't have the 'organ' for it. When I real eyed this, it made good cents, I mean to my whirled view.

[Hobbes' Choice]

If you base your outlook on life on puns, whether verbal or visual, you're going to end up with a strange view of the world, which seems to be born out by your posts.

I was immediately reminded of the writer Vladimir Nabokov who was fascinated, even a little obsessed, by puns. Let me rewrite your sentence, turn it around a bit:

If you cannot conceive of puns in life, of a 'laughing god who mocks [or instructs] out of the flow of reality itself', you are going to end up with a strange, dry, linear, and in the end 'incorrect' view of life and reality.

Hermann Hesse - a great artist - got to know the Zurich Jungians (and underwent some Jungian analysis for his own purposes). He said of the Jungians: "They do not have the organ of art". Psychological rationalism, analytical skill of a flamboyant sort, yes, but they could not 'get' art and artists. They just didn't have the 'organ' for it. When I real eyed this, it made good cents, I mean to my whirled view.

Goscinny and Uderzo Say "Toc, Toc!!"

[Gustav Bjornstrand]

Hobbles, where have I said this? Are you capable of understanding that your comprehension and assessment of other people is severely limited by your own ideas of what's possible and true? You really shouldn't project that onto other people. I don't need to "figure things out" according to your perspective. And no, the universe is NOT a god to me. Is the sky a god to a bird? Is the sun a god to a flower? There are other ways to see and think than your ways... thank goodness. It might be of value for you to be open to that.

You are not thinking very clearly about this. You said god is everything. This means that your god is the universe. Is there something you do not understand about this?

Now, I am hearing these voices, they emerge from the nada, and yet I do not think myself schizophrenic. That 'by the way'. Yet I am going to apply a little psychoanalytical frippery and try to get 'behind' the voices, see what is there. I shall outsprinkle some powder and shazzam! they shall materialise.

Now, this Hobbles I'd have to say is quite deranged. Corkscrew computer in a puddle of mercury but a little down-in-the-dumps. Kind of like an old knife with a jagged, rusted edge orbiting a silent Apollo. Or a kite pulling a kitty to the sun. A puzzle-eyed dog barking at its chain, complaining of metal-urge, or a bright moon shining in dirty bath water, a radio sounding the stock report. Or an incicive 6- cylinder mind running choppingly on two, too, in two, fumes redolent of historical fires in underground churches, fuel rods glowing red hot: a carnal scientist toting round a chemistry set in a red wagon.

Disembodied Voice No 1 is sprinkly with girl dew, flower petals, one hundred million doll eyes, whose mind is sage and vaginal and heather-swept, think coastal fogs, dragonflies, a picnic in nature, the ocean. Brown and lithe a chestnut-sized voice calms the wild eyed and makes them bend.

Can these two trees ever entwine themselves, I mean biologically-intellectually? Oh dear, the thought itself has crushed my most precious crystals, Good Heavens no. Hobble's rusted knife must rust in the dirt and be born anew in weeds & flowers & guppy's swishing tails, be eaten by fiery salamanders who then get et by bears who dig dens on lone mountainsides, sleep sleep sleep and emerge in spring tawny-drowsy. This entire mind, like a strange toolchest on a submarine under a pole, must be pawned.

And the virginal daughter of Orion - The Girl with The Eyes of Gold - must either fall into a Teeming City and be sullied by the historical slime of the Centuries, get ill, fall into a mortal swoon, resurrect in steel and all the architectonics of sword-like Randian reason, or choose above all choice to ride with Diana on petal-soft pixies to spiritual dream-ville.

Today, now, I see now other alternative. More when I have more.

PS: "Is the sky a god to a bird? Is the sun a god to a flower?" Well, from my angel I'd be forced to say yes yes yes and god a flower and a bird!

PPS: "It might be of value for you to be open to that." But there is an alternative, a delicious shortcut: Attach electrodes to his temples and amp it up until you get a screaming agreement. Mussolini would approve, methinks.

[Hobbes' Choice]

Now, this Hobbles I'd have to say is quite deranged. Corkscrew computer in a puddle of mercury but a little down-in-the-dumps. Kind of like an old knife with a jagged, rusted edge orbiting a silent Apollo. Or a kite pulling a kitty to the sun. A puzzle-eyed dog barking at its chain, complaining of metal-urge, or a bright moon shining in dirty bath water, a radio sounding the stock report. Or an incicive 6- cylinder mind running choppingly on two, too, in two, fumes redolent of historical fires in underground churches, fuel rods glowing red hot: a carnal scientist toting round a chemistry set in a red wagon.
.

Just keep listening to those voices.
"Toc, Toc!!"

[Lacewing]

You are not thinking very clearly about this.

Do you say this because I'm not thinking like you?

You said god is everything.

I'm asking you again to show me where I said this, so that we may deal with an actual circumstance and context. Do you understand the necessity of dealing with circumstance and context, and not just words that are put together? The only reason I might say something like this, would be to try to challenge theists in their own language to think about the limitations they place on their god idea. I do not believe in a god. I think about "all" being "connected energy" -- which is NOT a god.

This means that your god is the universe.

This is YOUR translation. It would be valuable for you to understand the limits of your translations. This is not what it means to me. If you think that "connected energy" must be assigned some kind of "god" meaning/definition, that is your trip. And I ask you again, what is a god... according to you?

Please do not make claims about me, and accuse me of not thinking clearly or understanding, and then ignore my questions which could help explain why you think/say what you do. It's of value for us all to see how people superimpose their idea of the world or others (or a god) onto everything else, even when the reality clearly extends beyond those boundaries for someone else. Superimposing seems to be an effort to confine and manipulate something in a way that gives one a sense of "knowing" and control. But it's all fantasy and forced, you see... forced into what you want to believe. So someone can keep waving their hands in front of your face, yet you choose your "preferred template" and refuse to see or accept the perspective of the one you claim to "understand" better than they understand their own perspective. I would think the arrogance and ignorance of you doing such a thing should be clear to you. But I'm evidently thinking you can see more than you do.

[The Inglorious One]

I'm asking you again to show me where I said this, so that we may deal with an actual circumstance and context. Do you understand the necessity of dealing with circumstance and context, and not just words that are put together? The only reason I might say something like this, would be to try to challenge theists in their own language to think about the limitations they place on their god idea. I do not believe in a god. I think about "all" being "connected energy" -- which is NOT a god.

Not much of a challenge for some theists.

[Lacewing]

Not much of a challenge for some theists.

In what way do you mean? I think theists are certainly challenged to realize/acknowledge the limits they place on their god. Which might be why I would say something like: "Isn't your god ALL of it (or the entire universe)?" Isn't it true that most theists tend to define separations between what their god is and is not? And isn't that a contradiction?

[Hobbes' Choice]

You are not thinking very clearly about this.

Do you say this because I'm not thinking like you?

You said god is everything.

I'm asking you again to show me where I said this,

Fri Aug 21, 2015 3:33 pm

It does not make sense to me that there would be any entity that would be SEPARATE from all that is. I think "separation" is a human concept. We humans seem oblivious to the connectivity of ALL -- and oblivious to the scope that is beyond the limitations of our perception of forms and boundaries. Therefore, within the boundaries of our own limits, we create gods who are identified as having human characteristics and being separate. It's all WE know.

I take it, you either own this, or are now calling yourself an Atheist?