Hegel's God

Is there a God? If so, what is She like?

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The Inglorious One
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Hegel's God

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Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel is considered to be one of the greatest philosophers of the nineteenth century. No one of sound mind would accuse him of invoking “magic” when he talks about God, but not everyone who posts in philosophy forums is of sound mind. Some here have such a hatred/fear of anything God-related that even the likes of Hegel is to be automatically and vehemently despised.

These so-called “free-thinkers” (a term dreamed up by atheists to describe themselves) have such tightly defined parameters of what's real that nothing challenging their preconceptions can get through no matter how many times and in how many ways something is said. Case in point: Using the term “God” in this forum is equivalent to invoking a magical being in the sky. Without question some theists do just that and anti-theists tend to look no further. That more mature conceptions of God can be reasonable, coherent and consistent with modern scientific conceptions is of Reality eludes them. I can't do anything about that.

Long before I heard of Hegel or knew anything of his philosophy, there was a sense that “nothing gives me greater comfort than knowing God's presence in my life is my life.” Hegel's God (a recording of an interview with Robert Wallace) is about Hegel's philosophical mysticism, a philosophy that gives me understanding of God where before there was only the unformed sense.

In his blog, Wallace writes:
For me, mysticism is the doctrine that God and I, and you and I, are all, in an important way, One. Philosophical mysticism is the kind of mysticism that emphasizes the role of thinking, in this Oneness. We’re One through our deepest and most serious kind of thinking. Or through love, which is inseparable from that kind of thinking. So in response to the common assumption that “mysticism” is vague and irrational, philosophical mysticism aims to show how, if we take seriously the thinking and loving that we do every day, they point beyond the usual assumption that God and I, and you and I, are ultimately separate and distinct.

Involving thought and love in this way, my mysticism is obviously a matter not just of “theory” but of experience. For me, it’s an immensely fulfilling experience which I had barely dreamt of, before it came to me. For my first four or five decades, I inhabited what looks (in retrospect) like a spiritual waste land. In The God of Love, Science, and Inner Freedom I’ve described some of the experience—of pain, despair, love, and thought—that brought me from that waste land to my current frequent experiences of ecstasy. “Philosophy” should surely come out of, and enrich, a person’s experience. In recent years, mine certainly has.

How can God and I be One? We can be One if my effort to be myself, is God. Such a God isn’t identical with my physical body or my habitual fears, desires and ideas. God may involve that body and those fears and so forth, but God is called “God” because he/she/it goes beyond (“transcends”) them. So when I say that this God is me, I’m not saying that God is physically present in me or that God has the failings that I have. God goes beyond all of that. But a God who transcends those parts of me can nevertheless be present in me as my capacity for inner freedom, or self-determination: for being, or trying to be, something that goes beyond my physical and habitual aspects. In this way there can be, as the Quakers say, “that of God in everyone,” without this God’s being identical to anything merely physical or externally determined.
Aside from the usual snide remarks from the anti-theist crowd, any comments?
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Thanks for your post. I wasn't aware of Hegel's or Wallace's conception of God, but it is consistent with a perspective I have been thinking about. Maybe there are not billions of different consciousnesses, but only one consciousness that looks out from billions of different perspectives. That one consciousness might be called God.
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I am an agnostic. However, Hegal's concept of God is rational. It may or not be true,but it is valid.
Here is an argument that is true and valid,
1. All men are mortal.
2. Socrates was a man.
3. Therefore Socrates was mortal.
Here is an argument that is untrue and yet valid.
1. All Martians eat snakes.
2. Bob is a Martian.
3. Therefore Bob eats snakes.
Here is an argument that is true but invalid,
1. Nixon was president
2. Eisenhower was president
3. Therefore Carter was president.
I would like more info about Hegal's philosophy. Unfortunately, most books and articles about Hegal ignore his philosophy and concentrate on sociology.
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Hegal rescues us from fundamentalism. Fundamentalism was a reaction to science. It wanted God to be quantifiable. Before, that religion was spiritual. Then it became literal.
Science deals with the quantifiable. However, ultimately reality is not quantifiable. As Hawking said about why there is something rather then nothing, what breathes fire into the equations. Such a question cannot be answered by science.
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Fundamentalism is scientific in the sense that it concentrates on the tangible rather then the spiritual.
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The hard-nosed atheists here don't know how to deal with a rational conception of God so tend to either ignore it or Resort to snide remarks.

IMV, Hegel's brand mysticism is vastly superior to materialism.
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I asked, "what does existence mean to a physicist"? at physics forum. I then went on to say that since some particles have no volume, how can they be said to physically exist? They could not answer that and said that that was a philosophical question not a physics question!!
My point is that matter is undefined for the materialist.
Let "X" represent something undefined. Is it meaningful to say," only X exists?" The materialist position is incoherent.
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raw_thought wrote:I asked, "what does existence mean to a physicist"? at physics forum. I then went on to say that since some particles have no volume, how can they be said to physically exist? They could not answer that and said that that was a philosophical question not a physics question!!
My point is that matter is undefined for the materialist.
Let "X" represent something undefined. Is it meaningful to say," only X exists?" The materialist position is incoherent.

For me the answer to your question would be that within physics some things only have a mathematical existence. Materialism on the other hand, makes a claim that only physical matter is real. It is a philosophical issue in terms of ontology.
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Ginkgo wrote:For me the answer to your question would be that within physics some things only have a mathematical existence.
This is not quite what physics claims. In fact physics claims that the universe can only be understood in the language of mathematics, a claim which has plummeted the entire science into a conceptual wilderness because this claim is utter nonsense. The truth of physics is that the behaviour of matter and energy within the universe can only be modelled in the language of mathematics, which Kant would immediately declare as insufficient for truth. So indeed would one of the greatest physicists of the 20th century.

"It is NOT the role of the physicist to explain what the universe is but merely to determine what he can meaningfully say about its behaviour"....Niels Bohr.

Physics equates its epistemic models with ontological truths and thus mistakes the map for the territory. This is why the current models used in physics make no sense.
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Hegel's view of God seems to have a weakness and it's the divide of Good vs. Evil. How can one expect good people to define themselves by the evil people and vice versa? Can Good and Evil be One? I think not. Heaven is one place, the Earth the middle place and Hell the other. Surely?
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Necromancer wrote:Hegel's view of God seems to have a weakness and it's the divide of Good vs. Evil. How can one expect good people to define themselves by the evil people and vice versa? Can Good and Evil be One? I think not. Heaven is one place, the Earth the middle place and Hell the other. Surely?
The question assumes a fundamental disunity or discord between selves; a multiplicity where in truth there is only one. For Hegel, God is developing God-self through human agency: through human beings, through human consciousness, through time.

According to Hegel (at least, as I understand him), not everything which has a reality has a reality of its own or subsists by itself. God is the only absolute reality, and thereby the absolute substance. The true is the whole and only the whole is real: force of mind is only as great (or real) as its expression of the Universal; its depth only as deep as its power to expand and lose itself. Therefore, what men call "evil" has no subsistence of its own.
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