What would it take to convince you that somebody is a prophet?

[Lacewing]

Your problem is that you're not open to anything that threatens your preconceived perceptions.

Who are you talking to?

I was talking to you, immediately following your post.

It seemed so far out in left field, I didn't want to assume. It sounded more like a projection of yourself.

What logic did you use to come up with that in regard to me... or did you just think it sounded clever? If you can't tell from what I've said that I'm more the opposite of your accusation, then it appears (to me) that you have very poor comprehension, and extraordinarily limited insight and judgment. Either that, or you're just mean and twisted in how you try to attack others in ways that have nothing to do with them. I think it is pretty clear that you're not listening/seeing and you're making stuff up... which, combined with your name-calling and angry screaming and spewing, doesn't put forth a very convincing impression of your credibility or prophetic ability.

Do you think people should look past all of that? Would YOU look past someone ELSE doing it?

[bobevenson]

Let me ask you a question. If somebody writes a mystical paper that connects Cincinnati to ancient Rome, the queen city of Babylon in the book of Revelation, and then proceeds to discover the origin of Cincinnati's queen city name in 20 minutes, something the entire world couldn't do in 170 years, and it sounds like a description of ancient Rome in the book of Revelation, don't you think that person might be a prophet?

First of all, could you answer the above question? Secondly, please read the Ouzo papers at http://church-of-ouzo.com.

[Obvious Leo]

Let me ask you a question. If somebody writes a mystical paper that connects Cincinnati to ancient Rome, the queen city of Babylon in the book of Revelation, and then proceeds to discover the origin of Cincinnati's queen city name in 20 minutes, something the entire world couldn't do in 170 years, and it sounds like a description of ancient Rome in the book of Revelation, don't you think that person might be a prophet?

A number of possibilities spring to mind but they all make me pine for the good old days when the mentally deranged were kept safely locked away. However nostalgia isn't what it used to be so we must simply bear up and accept things as they are. Stop fucking with your medication, Bob, you'll do yourself a mischief.

[Lacewing]

Let me ask you a question. If somebody writes a mystical paper that connects Cincinnati to ancient Rome, the queen city of Babylon in the book of Revelation, and then proceeds to discover the origin of Cincinnati's queen city name in 20 minutes, something the entire world couldn't do in 170 years, and it sounds like a description of ancient Rome in the book of Revelation, don't you think that person might be a prophet?

First of all, could you answer the above question? Secondly, please read the Ouzo papers at http://church-of-ouzo.com.

Are you talking to me again?

EVERYTHING IS CONNECTED, Bob. EVERYTHING. That's my impression. I don't put special meaning onto one over another. Doing so, just makes one more thing to become intoxicated with... one more thing to worship... one more thing to feel special about and hold over others. Enough! I prefer to be amazed equally by the connections that are everywhere... in every moment... in every interaction, even this funky one.

Okay... it's hard to concentrate as I'm listening to Led Zeppelin's Ramble On... and I want to go fly around now...

[bobevenson]

Bob, you'll do yourself a mischief.

Anybody who says, "You'll do yourself a mischief," should stay down under.

[Lacewing]

Okay, I'm back to finish my thought regarding this... in case I was too hurriedly cryptic before.

First of all, could you answer the above question? If somebody writes a mystical paper that connects Cincinnati to ancient Rome, the queen city of Babylon in the book of Revelation, and then proceeds to discover the origin of Cincinnati's queen city name in 20 minutes, something the entire world couldn't do in 170 years, and it sounds like a description of ancient Rome in the book of Revelation, don't you think that person might be a prophet?

No. As we can see everywhere, people can be very creative in connecting dots between all kinds of things, right? If it has significance and offers value for those individuals, great! I think it's more about what you get from it, than it is about the thing itself. So the trouble comes when people want their visions/ideas to be accepted by others as ultimate truth. We're just too diverse for that... we're seeing from so many different perspectives... and there's so much we don't know.

You and I, Bob, seem to have something in common. We want people to see connections. Our views might differ on what those involve, but we each wish people could see what we do. I think most people want this. But some perspectives just aren't going to match up. So I think it's helpful to share what we can from our "individual views", and have no expectations or demands about what other people will (or should) see or agree with. Hopefully we each expand in one way or another from the interaction.

[bobevenson]

Let me ask you a question. If somebody writes a mystical paper that connects Cincinnati to ancient Rome, the queen city of Babylon in the book of Revelation, and then proceeds to discover the origin of Cincinnati's queen city name in 20 minutes, something the entire world couldn't do in 170 years, and it sounds like a description of ancient Rome in the book of Revelation, don't you think that person might be a prophet?

First of all, could you answer the above question? Secondly, please read the Ouzo papers at http://church-of-ouzo.com.

Are you talking to me again?

EVERYTHING IS CONNECTED, Bob. EVERYTHING. That's my impression. I don't put special meaning onto one over another. Doing so, just makes one more thing to become intoxicated with... one more thing to worship... one more thing to feel special about and hold over others. Enough! I prefer to be amazed equally by the connections that are everywhere... in every moment... in every interaction, even this funky one.

Okay... it's hard to concentrate as I'm listening to Led Zeppelin's Ramble On... and I want to go fly around now...

Yes, I'm talking to you again, you know, right after your post. Who else would I be talking to? You must be some kind of existentialist. Are you going to answer the question? Did you look at the website and try to learn something about what I'm talking about?

[Lacewing]

Yes, I'm talking to you again, you know, right after your post. Who else would I be talking to?

You DO realize that there are multiple conversations going on, and that posts aren't always in response to the post immediately preceding them? And when the things you say seem off-track with me, I'm not sure.

Are you going to answer the question??

I just did. Our posts posted at the same time.

Did you look at the website and try to learn something about what I'm talking about?

With all due respect, would YOU, yourself, feel compelled to invest your energy/interest in something presented by a person acting like an angry madman? Wouldn't such behavior cast doubt on anything it somehow represents/claims?

[bobevenson]

Did you look at the website and try to learn something about what I'm talking about?

With all due respect, would YOU, yourself, feel compelled to invest your energy/interest in something presented by a person acting like an angry madman? Wouldn't such behavior cast doubt on anything it somehow represents/claims?

Why don't you use the balls you were born with and look at the website, and then comment on the letter from the spokesman of the conservative Spiritual Counterfeits Project?

[Lacewing]

Why don't you use the balls you were born with and look at the website, and then comment on the letter from the spokesman of the conservative Spiritual Counterfeits Project?

Are you speaking of physical balls? I wasn't born with those; I'm female.

I've already told you why the things YOU suggest that I do, have little appeal for me. Why don't YOU use the balls you were born with, and take some responsibility for the energy you're throwing around? Unless you're going to respond thoughtfully to the questions and comments I've put to you... and unless you're going to commit to this interaction in a balanced way, instead of just throwing out your lame, snarky comments and demands at me... I'm not interested in much of anything that you seem to think is important. Makes sense, doesn't it?

[bobevenson]

Why don't you use the balls you were born with and look at the website, and then comment on the letter from the spokesman of the conservative Spiritual Counterfeits Project?

Are you speaking of physical balls? I wasn't born with those; I'm female.

I've already told you why the things YOU suggest that I do, have little appeal for me. Why don't YOU use the balls you were born with, and take some responsibility for the energy you're throwing around? Unless you're going to respond thoughtfully to the questions and comments I've put to you... and unless you're going to commit to this interaction in a balanced way, instead of just throwing out your lame, snarky comments and demands at me... I'm not interested in much of anything that you seem to think is important. Makes sense, doesn't it?

Now that you mention you're a woman, everything is falling into place, so I'll handle you with kid gloves. I would be very interested in your evaluation of the letter sent to me by the Spiritual Counterfeits Project.

[henry quirk]

"What would it take to convince you that somebody is a prophet?"

If a prophet is a spokesman/salesman for god, then -- first thing -- the would-be prophet has to pony up some evidence that god (as architect, creator, and sustainer of reality) exists.

If god is a fiction, then the would-be prophet's claim is fiction too.

So: show me god, then -- mebbe -- we can talk about prophets (and their profits).

[Hobbes' Choice]

Why don't you use the balls you were born with and look at the website, and then comment on the letter from the spokesman of the conservative Spiritual Counterfeits Project?

Are you speaking of physical balls? I wasn't born with those; I'm female.

I've already told you why the things YOU suggest that I do, have little appeal for me. Why don't YOU use the balls you were born with, and take some responsibility for the energy you're throwing around? Unless you're going to respond thoughtfully to the questions and comments I've put to you... and unless you're going to commit to this interaction in a balanced way, instead of just throwing out your lame, snarky comments and demands at me... I'm not interested in much of anything that you seem to think is important. Makes sense, doesn't it?

Now that you mention you're a woman, everything is falling into place, so I'll handle you with kid gloves. I would be very interested in your evaluation of the letter sent to me by the Spiritual Counterfeits Project.

You've been fucked in the arse over this letter, again, and again. What is it going to take for your to piss off and take your phoney empty meaningless pieces of bullshit with you?
The letter amounts to nothing.
It is really sad that this is the only thing in your life, and has been for ages.
Have you ever thought about getting a life at some point?

[Lacewing]

Now that you mention you're a woman, everything is falling into place, so I'll handle you with kid gloves. I would be very interested in your evaluation of the letter sent to me by the Spiritual Counterfeits Project.

Are you completely dense? I've told you that I'm not interested in this thing that YOU think is important -- and I've given you a good explanation why: you represent your beliefs poorly. You also completely ignore what is being said to you, and you show no respect or courtesy in a response, you just badger on mindlessly with your own self-inflating agenda.

I would suggest that you handle YOURSELF with kid gloves... but, actually, I can see that you're already doing so! For whatever reasons, you seem incapable of acknowledging, or taking responsibility for, your behavior and what you are bombarding other people with. You also seem incapable of making a connection with me in any meaningful or respectful manner, so there's really not much for us to talk about.

[bobevenson]

Neither of you have the testicular/intestinal fortitude to respond to my request in a civil manner, due, I believe, to your crazy bone being hit over and over again.