How To Tell Right From Wrong

artisticsolution · Post by **artisticsolution** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 5:01 pm

I am enjoying this thread very much. I have to admit Immanuel, I like the way you can hold you own when so many do not hold the, same views.

I still think that you are talking out both sides of your mouth ..(.I will show you why I think this...today is very busy...only have tiny breaks in between. ..not enough to give anyone the attention they deserve), not that we all don't do the same...only difference is Christians should know it's wrong and have the courage to scrutinize themselves as they do others.

Let me ask you this though, do you have any doubt that God exists?

henry quirk · Post by **henry quirk** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 5:11 pm

Mannie,

What a body 'wants', coupled with the impulse to self-preserve, should lead most to choose wisely (in love and business).

Since half of all marriages fail, and roughly half of business partnerships fail, it's safe to say...

1-folks do exactly what they want to do, no matter what the (marriage or business) contract dictates.

...and...

2-folks, on average, are about as wise as the callus on the middle finger of my left hand.

People 'want' all manner of things (and people)...gotta work (hard), however, to ensure one gets to 'keep' (those things and people).

Sensibly, then: only obligate yourself (in contract) when the bindings on you are in keeping with who and what you are, and, only obligate others in contract when the bindings on them are in keeping with what and who they are.

To marry a wandering eye (no matter what that wandering eye sez at the altar) is friggin' stupid.

To transact in a long-term way with the profligate (for example) is friggin' stupid.

'Buyer beware.'

So: it’s not about 'morality' but about predictable disposition.

That is: the consistently honest or trustworthy person 'is' honest or trustworthy cuz he or she is naturally disposed to be that way.

Paraphrasing the scorpion: 'it's all about one's nature.'

Immanuel Can · Post by **Immanuel Can** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 5:18 pm

artisticsolution wrote:Let me ask you this though, do you have any doubt that God exists?

Well, do you have any doubt that your husband exists?

Or your kids, assuming you have some... or your best friend?

Immanuel Can · Post by **Immanuel Can** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 5:20 pm

henry quirk wrote:So: it’s not about 'morality' but about predictable disposition.

That's interesting. What do you think is our "predictable disposition" as human beings, Henry?

Immanuel Can · Post by **Immanuel Can** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 5:22 pm

artisticsolution wrote:I am enjoying this thread very much. I have to admit Immanuel, I like the way you can hold you own when so many do not hold the, same views.

Thank you, artisticsolution. That's very kind of you.

artisticsolution · Post by **artisticsolution** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 5:29 pm

henry quirk wrote:Mannie,

What a body 'wants', coupled with the impulse to self-preserve, should lead most to choose wisely (in love and business).

Sorry henry...but you are talking out of two sides of your mouth. This concept you have of self preservation is not consistent with your concept of taking up arms to protect you and 'yours'. As, in the end....if push comes to shove, this ' self preserver' person, would also kill his own as that is what self preserve is all about.

I just can't understand the 'highlander' mentality that there can only be one.

artisticsolution · Post by **artisticsolution** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 5:32 pm

Immanuel Can wrote:
artisticsolution wrote:Let me ask you this though, do you have any doubt that God exists?
Well, do you have any doubt that your husband exists?

Or your kids, assuming you have some... or your best friend?

But I can touch, see, hear, their physical being. Please just answer my question as it stands...

Do you have any doubt that God exists?

I am asking nicely...you don't have to answer if you don't want.

henry quirk · Post by **henry quirk** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 5:35 pm

Mannie,

Beyond the common impulse to self-preserve and continue on, I'm imagining there are many flavors of disposition.

#

Art,

"This concept you have of self preservation is not consistent with your concept of taking up arms to protect you and 'yours'."

Yes it is if you take into account how one is disposed to see the world, him- or her-self, and how much one might be invested in those he or she loves.

Hobbes' Choice · Post by **Hobbes' Choice** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 5:38 pm

Immanuel Can wrote:
artisticsolution wrote:You, through this entire thread, have said that you believe when Jesus said ' you will know them by their fruits..." that he meant you can tell if a christian is a true Christian or not. by what they say and do. Correct?
Yes.

What I am asking you is what makes you think you are different from you fellow Christians?
Personally, nothing. But one can only BE a Christian by obeying Christ. That's analytical in the name itself. Obedience is entailed.
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RIGHT.

This is s good one.
Matthew
5:40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also.
So don't defend yourself in court.
5:29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
5:30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
More gems from Matthew
10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Casual Racism: gentiles don't deserve to be saved.

Luke 14
14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
14:27 And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.

To be a TRUE Christian you must abandon you family in hatred, and get yourself Crucified, if you want to obey Jesus.

artisticsolution · Post by **artisticsolution** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 5:40 pm

henry quirk wrote:Mannie,

Beyond the common impulse to self-preserve and continue on, I'm imagining there are many flavors of disposition.

#

Art,

"This concept you have of self preservation is not consistent with your concept of taking up arms to protect you and 'yours'."

Yes it is if you take into account how one is disposed to see the world, him- or her-self, and how much one might be invested in those he or she loves.

Ah...so now your saying 99# of the time, people love.

See...talking out both sides of your mouth.

Hobbes' Choice · Post by **Hobbes' Choice** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 5:41 pm

artisticsolution wrote:I am enjoying this thread very much. I have to admit Immanuel, I like the way you can hold you own when so many do not hold the, same views.

If ignoring questions, and putting people who ask them on ignore is 'holding your own", it is not worthy of praise.
I'm surprised you fall so easily for his squirming flim-flam.

Why not ask him to say what a 'true christian' would do in one or two moral situations?

henry quirk · Post by **henry quirk** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 5:53 pm

"so now your saying 99# of the time, people love."

Nope.

Read again...

"This concept you have of self preservation is not consistent with your concept of taking up arms to protect you and 'yours'."

Yes it is if you take into account how one is disposed to see the world, him- or her-self, and how much one might be invested in those he or she loves.

Obviously, I'm talkin' about the individual, not the species.

Some folks will self-preserve through the sacrifice of every-thing and -one, including those they love; others will not.

And some folks, many folks, don't or can't love.

Do us both a favor: read what i write, not what you think I write; stop cherry pickin' and take my posts in context (of the thread and my other posts).

Immanuel Can · Post by **Immanuel Can** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 6:00 pm

artisticsolution wrote:I am asking nicely...you don't have to answer if you don't want.

I'm not being difficult...I'm just trying to give you a frame of reference for an answer.

We know our spouses, children and friends. We are not *absolutely* sure they exist (after all, we have those lovely thought experiments about brains in vats, and so on

), but most people do not think or act that way on a daily basis. Most of us are content with 99.999 % certainty, and don't worry much about whatever small amount of uncertainty issues from the thought-experiments philosophers generate.

Well and good, then.

What level of certainty do you suppose we should expect IF the Supreme Being were real? What would you consider reasonable?

Again...honest question...no cynicism implied.

Immanuel Can · Post by **Immanuel Can** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 6:01 pm

henry quirk wrote:Beyond the common impulse to self-preserve and continue on, I'm imagining there are many flavors of disposition.

Are any of these dispositions "better" or "worse" than others?

artisticsolution · Post by **artisticsolution** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 6:02 pm

Hobbes' Choice wrote:
artisticsolution wrote:I am enjoying this thread very much. I have to admit Immanuel, I like the way you can hold you own when so many do not hold the, same views.
If ignoring questions, and putting people who ask them on ignore is 'holding your own", it is not worthy of praise.
I'm surprised you fall so easily for his squirming flim-flam.

Why not ask him to say what a 'true christian' would do in one or two moral situations?

Hi Hobbes, I don't believe that one has to combat everyone to make a point.

I am not agreeing with everything Immanuel says, but he is in a debate with all of us and not losing his cool like most. You have to admire that. At least I do.

But then I can't get behind the mentality, you either with us or against us.'

And about asking him what a Christian would do in 2 moral situations...what do you think the whole point of this thread is?

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