What does zero times infinity equal?

[1x0]

It would equal infinity. Infinity in the other hand a just a probability/possibility in an ever evolving complex system with the exact value One (relative). Meaning that the Universe as such you can count as 1. All the space-time, energy, matter, mass, information.....

Here is a question then:


How much 1x0 if natural number one describes the Universe and natural number zero describes the total absence of the observed physical entity in this case the Universe (space-time, energy, matter, information free nothing)

I would say that it is the original value present in the operation in this case the Universe as One.


The question is why does our mathematical reality not adjusted to our physical reality?

Zero is a reference point? A conception indicates where from Our Universe have evolved form? Or?

One is an other reference point indicates the value of any observed physical entity in proportion to the whole system. Or?

[Philosophy Explorer]

It would equal infinity. Infinity in the other hand a just a probability/possibility in an ever evolving complex system with the exact value One (relative). Meaning that the Universe as such you can count as 1. All the space-time, energy, matter, mass, information.....

Here is a question then:


How much 1x0 if natural number one describes the Universe and natural number zero describes the total absence of the observed physical entity in this case the Universe (space-time, energy, matter, information free nothing)

I would say that it is the original value present in the operation in this case the Universe as One.


The question is why does our mathematical reality not adjusted to our physical reality?

Zero is a reference point? A conception indicates where from Our Universe have evolved form? Or?

One is an other reference point indicates the value of any observed physical entity in proportion to the whole system. Or?

Mathematics is not an adjustment of physical reality, but it can describe it. Zero is a reference point on paper, but where in the universe do you find a zero reference point?
Zero with one can be a reference (not a point though) and can be defined as a unit of length.

PhilX

[Obvious Leo]

Since neither zero nor infinity is a real number this question is meaningless.

[Philosophy Explorer]

Since neither zero nor infinity is a real number this question is meaningless.

Mathematicians would agree with you about infinity. What do you mean by a real number?

PhilX

[Obvious Leo]

Mathematicians would agree with you about infinity. What do you mean by a real number?

I'm aware of the fact that pure mathematics and mathematical philosophy is somewhat at odds on this point but my interpretation of mathematical philosophy derives from the Persian philosopher/mathematicians of early Islam. There was no such thing as zero in western mathematics prior to the Persians, although its probably true to say that they themselves imported the idea from the even earlier mathematical philosophies of the Hindus. Zero was imported into western mathematical thought from the Persians after the crusades, originally via Spain. The cloistered European houses of learning slowly adopted the tools of the Persians but they didn't adopt the mathematical philosophies which were intended to go with them, presumably because they felt themselves in no need of philosophical instruction by the godless heathen when they had Aquinas to tell them what was what. To this day western mathematics still fails to understand quantum philosophy and the nature of infinitesimals because it remains rooted in the doctrine of the medieval Roman church. In Persian mathematical philosophy a real number is one which must be physically realisable, which means it must be possible to associate it with a physical quantity. The Persians regarded zero as an abstract unrealisable quantity lying midway on the number line between two other abstract unrealisable quantities, these being plus and minus infinity. They could be used to describe the way a physical system tends but not the actual state of such a system, a feature later adopted by Leibniz and Newton in the development of the calculus and then subsequently adopted by physics, which therefore makes no sense. Zeros and infinities remain the curse of physics and can only be dealt with by the invention of mathematical constants.

Interestingly the Persian understanding of mathematical spaces also failed to translate into western thought which further explains why physics makes no sense.

[Philosophy Explorer]

Mathematicians would agree with you about infinity. What do you mean by a real number?

I'm aware of the fact that pure mathematics and mathematical philosophy is somewhat at odds on this point but my interpretation of mathematical philosophy derives from the Persian philosopher/mathematicians of early Islam. There was no such thing as zero in western mathematics prior to the Persians, although its probably true to say that they themselves imported the idea from the even earlier mathematical philosophies of the Hindus. Zero was imported into western mathematical thought from the Persians after the crusades, originally via Spain. The cloistered European houses of learning slowly adopted the tools of the Persians but they didn't adopt the mathematical philosophies which were intended to go with them, presumably because they felt themselves in no need of philosophical instruction by the godless heathen when they had Aquinas to tell them what was what. To this day western mathematics still fails to understand quantum philosophy and the nature of infinitesimals because it remains rooted in the doctrine of the medieval Roman church. In Persian mathematical philosophy a real number is one which must be physically realisable, which means it must be possible to associate it with a physical quantity. The Persians regarded zero as an abstract unrealisable quantity lying midway on the number line between two other abstract unrealisable quantities, these being plus and minus infinity. They could be used to describe the way a physical system tends but not the actual state of such a system, a feature later adopted by Leibniz and Newton in the development of the calculus and then subsequently adopted by physics, which therefore makes no sense. Zeros and infinities remain the curse of physics and can only be dealt with by the invention of mathematical constants.

Interestingly the Persian understanding of mathematical spaces also failed to translate into western thought which further explains why physics makes no sense.

Leo,

My understanding about zero is that, among other reasons, it makes it easier to do arithmetic and it acts as a placeholder.

For me, in most ways, zero acts as a number and I regard it as such. I think the biggest impediment to accepting zero is it being tied too closely to reality as many people understand quantity and its lack thereof wasn't understandable.

PhilX

[Obvious Leo]

I think the biggest impediment to accepting zero is it being tied too closely to reality

I'm a philosopher of physics, Phil, and the nature of physical reality is my core business. I don't deny the utility of zero as a placeholder in mathematical equations but if it turns up as a solution to such an equation I know that the equation is not describing a physically real system. Infinity gets the same treatment.

[Dalek Prime]

I have a cake, and am willing to make zero cuts to share with you all. Bring your own drink, and enjoy.

Zero infinities is just that. Zero. Don't overcomplicate my reality.