Utopian Ethic

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Option 3: deadlock.

[Systematic]

There is often much wisdom in madness.

No, bridges collaps, big buisness goes bankrupt, people get fired, mad people doesn't get admission into places that requires sanity.

..else prove me wrong.

..better now?

Lucky for me, the only places that require sanity are so boring that they put you to sleep.

[Systematic]

More where that came from? Nuh-uh.

Satisfaction and honour as payment? You are just now talking about an economic system of happy volunteers. Again, nuh-uh.

Good luck convincing everyone, or anyone, else. It's just unworkable, given human behaviour. The closest your going to get is mutualism, and even then, mutualists don't have much hope in seeing their system thrive, either.

The market shouldn't be a place where the rich tell everyone what to buy. It should be a place where people get whatever they want and some things that they had no idea that they wanted.

[Systematic]

"If the riveters, cement mixers and crane operators are all working to different blueprints, the bridge never gets built at all; construction deteriorates into a brawl."

The question: will the workmen work together voluntarily, each to satisfy his or her own agenda, or, will the workmen work together cuz they're made to?

'Will I rivet, mix, operate cuz -- in doing so -- I satisfy 'me', or, will I rivet, mix, operate cuz a jackboot kicks my ass I till do?'

The bridge gets built either way, but the difference in cost between the two is enormous.

The main difference is that a society working for advancement, would also advance their own building techniques. The first bridge that they built might take a while, but every bridge thereafter would be built efficiently and with minimal effort.

[Hobbes' Choice]

Utopia is most important. All other concerns are not worth having. What good is being selfish? You will only receive your own help. What good is altruism? You will only teach people to take from you.

Since Utopia is most important, I will attempt to define the concept. In Utopia each person's goodness is leveraged to its maximum potential, and each person's weakness is minimized. In Utopia, people do not hate or fear a dystopia, instead they prepare to defeat it among themselves. Utopia is anarchistic, because no man's goodness can be multiplied in slavery.

What is this goodness of which I speak? It does not focus on the bad of self or others, but instead it works toward the effectuality of all. If someone is found to be ineffectual, they are not shunned nor made to feel inferior; instead, they are rehabilitated out of their pain and into the pleasure of best effect.

The inevitable consequence of anarchy is slavery. Governance is a necessary but not sufficient thing to ensure security against slavery and violence. It is also a necessary, though not sufficient state of affairs to be able to achieve the things you have indicated.

[Systematic]

More where that came from? Nuh-uh.

Automation--there is always a huge supply without demand because people can't afford to buy everything they want.

Satisfaction and honour as payment? You are just now talking about an economic system of happy volunteers. Again, nuh-uh.

Unlimited supply means that you can have whatever you want. When that happens you can make whatever you want. If you choose to sit on your ass and do nothing when you have everything provided for you, what can a taskmaster do to make you productive? The persistent quality of human character is that they always want more, but in order to have more there must be more advancement in invention and innovation. If everyone were dedicated to advancing the society rather than their own bank account, then there would always be more volunteers than leeches.

Good luck convincing everyone, or anyone, else. It's just unworkable, given human behaviour. The closest your going to get is mutualism, and even then, mutualists don't have much hope in seeing their system thrive, either.

Human behaviour always manages to find good things to satisfy. When that satisfaction is tied to the good of the whole, then the behaviour must respond in kind.

[Systematic]

Utopia is most important. All other concerns are not worth having. What good is being selfish? You will only receive your own help. What good is altruism? You will only teach people to take from you.

Since Utopia is most important, I will attempt to define the concept. In Utopia each person's goodness is leveraged to its maximum potential, and each person's weakness is minimized. In Utopia, people do not hate or fear a dystopia, instead they prepare to defeat it among themselves. Utopia is anarchistic, because no man's goodness can be multiplied in slavery.

What is this goodness of which I speak? It does not focus on the bad of self or others, but instead it works toward the effectuality of all. If someone is found to be ineffectual, they are not shunned nor made to feel inferior; instead, they are rehabilitated out of their pain and into the pleasure of best effect.

The inevitable consequence of anarchy is slavery. Governance is a necessary but not sufficient thing to ensure security against slavery and violence. It is also a necessary, though not sufficient state of affairs to be able to achieve the things you have indicated.

Then we shall have a leader who must face reelection every week.

[Hobbes' Choice]

Utopia is most important. All other concerns are not worth having. What good is being selfish? You will only receive your own help. What good is altruism? You will only teach people to take from you.

Since Utopia is most important, I will attempt to define the concept. In Utopia each person's goodness is leveraged to its maximum potential, and each person's weakness is minimized. In Utopia, people do not hate or fear a dystopia, instead they prepare to defeat it among themselves. Utopia is anarchistic, because no man's goodness can be multiplied in slavery.

What is this goodness of which I speak? It does not focus on the bad of self or others, but instead it works toward the effectuality of all. If someone is found to be ineffectual, they are not shunned nor made to feel inferior; instead, they are rehabilitated out of their pain and into the pleasure of best effect.

The inevitable consequence of anarchy is slavery. Governance is a necessary but not sufficient thing to ensure security against slavery and violence. It is also a necessary, though not sufficient state of affairs to be able to achieve the things you have indicated.

Then we shall have a leader who must face reelection every week.

Decided how?

[Systematic]

Decided how?

Each Saturday morning the candidates are announced. On Sunday whoever wants to vote may vote. The votes are tallied by midnight. At midnight (Monday morning) the new leader is announced (who may or may not be the incumbent).

[Hobbes' Choice]

Decided how?

Each Saturday morning the candidates are announced. On Sunday whoever wants to vote may vote. The votes are tallied by midnight. At midnight (Monday morning) the new leader is announced (who may or may not be the incumbent).

Oh Pleaaaaaaaase!

[Systematic]

Decided how?

Each Saturday morning the candidates are announced. On Sunday whoever wants to vote may vote. The votes are tallied by midnight. At midnight (Monday morning) the new leader is announced (who may or may not be the incumbent).

Oh Pleaaaaaaaase!

I see you lack faith in efficiency.