Do we have the right to tax people in order to help the poor?

[Obvious Leo]

I took the easy way out, doc. Instead of unloading all my crap on eBay I carted it all around to my son's place and got him to unload it on eBay. He was an impoverished student at the time so I managed to kill two birds with one stone. I got rid of all my crap and stopped him from hitting on me for dough all the time,(at least until the crap ran out.)

[thedoc]

I took the easy way out, doc. Instead of unloading all my crap on eBay I carted it all around to my son's place and got him to unload it on eBay. He was an impoverished student at the time so I managed to kill two birds with one stone. I got rid of all my crap and stopped him from hitting on me for dough all the time,(at least until the crap ran out.)

Does he still list, and if so what is his user ID?

I list as thedoc2102 and am getting ready to list some items later this eve.

[Obvious Leo]

Does he still list, and if so what is his user ID?

I don't think he does and I certainly wouldn't know anything about his user ID if he did. However judging by the state of his shed I reckon he hasn't quite got the hang of this de-cluttering business. I do my best to keep him out of mine because he just pilfers stuff until such time as I go to his place to re-possess it, which is only when I need it. This could be a long time later and by then he's got no hope of finding it. I am a failed parent.

[raw_thought]

In the US the poor pay more tax then the rich. Plus there is a redistribution of wealth, from the poor and middle class to the rich!

[Melchior]

No, otherwise we have no rights at all.

[Melchior]

In the US the poor pay more tax then the rich. Plus there is a redistribution of wealth, from the poor and middle class to the rich!

Bullshit. Does it make any sense for the rich to prey upon the poor? They don't have any money, you moron!

[raw_thought]

If it was not for the poor the rich would have to eat their money.
Ummm, you do realize that there are more poor then rich???
Anyway, another example of your sophisticated argument style!
Good luck getting into a university.

[raw_thought]

I will supply the links (and do your homework for you). It is beyond dispute that from a percentage perspective the poor pay more tax. The government actually subsidizes the rich.

[Melchior]

If it was not for the poor the rich would have to eat their money.
Ummm, you do realize that there are more poor then rich???
Anyway, another example of your sophisticated argument style!
Good luck getting into a university.

Let me see if I understand you...you think the rich, being smart, would want to try to get money from the poor? You're a total fucking moron.

[raw_thought]

So you are saying that the poor do not get ripped off?
There are no scams etc.
Anyway, good night troll. Continue calling me a poopy head etc. You really are making a fool of yourself.

[thedoc]

Let's see if I can do a little math. If you get one dollar each from a million poor people, that's a lot of money.

[garygary]

From 2012 IRS tax data:

The top five percent of income earners paid 58.9 percent of federal income taxes collected.

The effective tax rate for the top 5 percent of income earners was 21 percent.

The bottom 50 percent of income earners paid 2.8 percent of federal income taxes collected.

The effective tax rate for the bottom 50 percent of income earners was 3 percent.

Another interesting fact: The bottom 20 percent actually has a negative tax rate, meaning they received money from the IRS instead of paying income tax. This is because of Earned Income Credit.

Feel free to dig around the net to see if this data is disputed. I got the above from several websites that appearred legit.

[Dalek Prime]

C'mon Gary. Apple Corp alone made the decision to shift hundreds of billions of dollars around the world, just so it couldn't be taxed by the IRS. That's just one company. The rich are not paying doodle squat of what they could or should. Don't bs people with a year's simple income tax data. The lion's share is untaxed.

http://www.pulitzer.org/files/2013/expl ... my4-29.pdf

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/ ... -avoid-tax

[Dalek Prime]

Much of a CEOs income is not is not straight pay. It's stocks, it's bonuses. It's use of corporate assets, that themselves aren't taxable. So they pay on only part of what they get. Usually the least part. Every dinner is paid by the company, as a business write-off. Their base salary is what they pay on. Everything else is thick gravy.

What I don't get is why you chumps, who aren't on this gravy train, or in the richest 1%, keep supporting people who wouldn't give you the time of day, let you into their gated communities, and rob you by not paying their fair share. Unless you think, by kissing their asses, they'll throw you crumbs off their plates. That's it, isn't it. You're just toadies, waiting for your day in the sun.

[garygary]

I took "the rich" and "the poor," to mean "rich individuals" and "poor individuals."

To follow up on your insertion of businesses: When you say "Apple Corp" I assume you are speaking of the computer company, not the corporation set up by the Beatles as a tax shelter. So, who exactly owns Apple Computers?