Starfall wrote:If we could have an universal standard of what is right and what is wrong, then there would be no theory of ethics, no debates, no disputes. The core of ethics is that there is no single right and wrong. It changes from person to person. Every person has a certain set of values that they base their ethical view on. These values, like axioms in mathematics, can't be proven. They can only be justified, and you can't force anyone to accept them. The belief that animals are equal to humans from an ethical standpoint is one such value. In order to understand Ned's view of the subject, you have to accept it and then look at the subject again. Your own set of values might be in complete contradiction with his on this subject, and that is fine. You might think that yours is somehow more rational, but it isn't. It is certainly more practical, though - humans naturally want to eat meat, so a view opposing that is obviously less practical. Practicality can be measured objectively by comparing the amount of effort it takes to implement both views, and the potential benefits one gets from them. However, measuring righteousness is impossible. What is right for him might sound ridiculous to you, and what is right for you might sound unforgivable to him. That is what makes ethics so complicated a topic.
I truly wish there was some way to know what is right and what is wrong objectively, but there isn't. As such, it is always important to learn as much as possible, even from those who say stuff that sound ridiculous; as you can never be sure of the truth of your own views, or the falsity of theirs.
I tried to build up a theory of ethics from some basic principles in the "Resolving conflicting Loyalties" thread in Applied Ethics.
duszek wrote:A huge problem is that there is too much manure coming from the big meat factories.
Far too much.
Don't forget all the methane that the cows fart out into the atmosphere!
If they didn't eat the vegetation then it would rot and make methane anyway.
Cattle only accelerate the process and make useful fertiliser, meat and milk whilst they do it.
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Ned wrote:Today we went out to celebrate my wife's birthday. We were gallivanting whole day, driving through the beautiful spring Southern Ontario countryside.
We ended up at an Indian restaurant in downtown Barrie and had a fantastic lunch from the buffet that was superb.
We sampled seven different vegetarian dishes and they were so incredibly tasty, that we decided to go back for our 33rd wedding anniversary coming up soon.
Who needs meat when you can have so much pleasure without it?
I will NEVER understand the passionate foes of vegetarianism -- we are no threat to them, we just love the way we live!
And we have VERY good reasons for it.
Delusions, you mean! You people are fucking insane.
Actually vegetarian food done well is a lot tastier than meat. It just takes a bit more skill and effort. You don't even miss the meat part. You are probably a useless cook, if you cook at all.
On the contrary. I run an Italian feasting group. I love Branzini, and can cook this fish in many different ways. Acqua pazza is a good way! I also love asparagus, eggplant, rice, tomatoes, pasta, lamb, beef, pork, and shrimp. Unlike you, I eat everything and love it. You are a fucking moron.
Melchior wrote:
On the contrary. I run an Italian feasting group. I love Branzini, and can cook this fish in many different ways. Acqua pazza is a good way! I also love asparagus, eggplant, rice, tomatoes, pasta, lamb, beef, pork, and shrimp. Unlike you, I eat everything and love it. You are a fucking moron.
Melchior wrote:
On the contrary. I run an Italian feasting group. I love Branzini, and can cook this fish in many different ways. Acqua pazza is a good way! I also love asparagus, eggplant, rice, tomatoes, pasta, lamb, beef, pork, and shrimp. Unlike you, I eat everything and love it. You are a fucking moron.
How do you know what I eat?
Your name says vegetarian, and you posted this:
"Actually vegetarian food done well is a lot tastier than meat. It just takes a bit more skill and effort. You don't even miss the meat part. You are probably a useless cook, if you cook at all."
Melchior wrote:
On the contrary. I run an Italian feasting group. I love Branzini, and can cook this fish in many different ways. Acqua pazza is a good way! I also love asparagus, eggplant, rice, tomatoes, pasta, lamb, beef, pork, and shrimp. Unlike you, I eat everything and love it. You are a fucking moron.
How do you know what I eat?
Your name says vegetarian, and you posted this:
"Actually vegetarian food done well is a lot tastier than meat. It just takes a bit more skill and effort. You don't even miss the meat part. You are probably a useless cook, if you cook at all."
so....what else am I to assume?
Find any post that says what I eat. My username is 'vegetarian taxidermy'.
