papers pervert people

[Pluto]

Yeah, that's it. I'm on the side of Derrida.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgwOjjoYtco

[marjoram_blues]

Yeah, that's it. I'm on the side of Derrida.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgwOjjoYtco

In what sense are you on the side of Derrida?
I have asked a few questions on another thread about Derrida. From my limited understanding, I can see why some might think his ideas 'trivial' in the sense of how he complicates some common-sense views about how we use language.
viewtopic.php?f=23&t=15427

Not sure that I can spare further time exploring this...not seeing the relevance or significance to 'contemporary issues' as some suggest.
viewtopic.php?f=23&t=15253

[Pluto]

To me he's a good guy, deconstruction is great, treating language in such as creative way is great too. He's French and his hair is cool, I like his dress sense, his jackets are great. He was on the side of people rather than power. I have no in-depth knowledge, as you can see, of his philosophy, but what I have seen and heard of him, my response is, he is/was great. Have you seen the great documentary Derrida (2002), I was hooked after seeing it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TswHCM2 ... r_embedded

[marjoram_blues]

To me he's a good guy, deconstruction is great, treating language in such as creative way is great too. He's French and his hair is cool, I like his dress sense, his jackets are great. He was on the side of people rather than power. I have no in-depth knowledge, as you can see, of his philosophy, but what I have seen and heard of him, my response is, he is/was great. Have you seen the great documentary Derrida, I was hooked after seeing it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TswHCM2 ... r_embedded

Thanks, Pluto, I'll have a look later...
So, if your French and your hair is cool - you're a good guy? Hmmmmm....so much for the visual, huh
About papers perverting people, apparently the Sun ( I think) tried to negatively spin Ed Miliband by using an image of him eating a bacon butty. This resulted in a flurry of people, doing the 'Je suis Ed' thing, including Jon Snow from Ch 4 news posting pics of mouths crammed with bacon butties
http://www.channel4.com/news/

[Pluto]

So, if your French and your hair is cool - you're a good guy?

I would like to say yes, but of course it isn't so. There are other qualities too, like the ones I mentioned.

I saw the picture of the politician eating a sandwich, his critics said, he can't even eat a sandwich without looking alien-like, or making a mess of it. But this is something that is open to papers, how a person is photographed, how they look in the photo, how will it be read, etc. A paper like The Sun, owned by R Murdoch, would support a particular party, and would thus portray their politicians in a good light, and then those they don't like, in a bad light. Actually, it's interesting to see photos in papers of alleged criminals or terrorists, as the way in which they are photographed, or at least the photos used, presupposes them as such, in the mind of the viewer. Guess which picture comes from Blair's PR office:

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[raw_thought]

The late Kenneth Minogue, a political philosopher whose books and articles I've read, wrote either a book or long essay in which he argued that journalism (chiefly, newspapers) distorts the reader's reality. If you are interested in the cite, send me a PM and I'll find it.

I do not want to read it because it will distort my reality.

[Pluto]

That's it, everything consumed, leaves its mark.

[marjoram_blues]

To me he's a good guy, deconstruction is great, treating language in such as creative way is great too. He's French and his hair is cool, I like his dress sense, his jackets are great. He was on the side of people rather than power. I have no in-depth knowledge, as you can see, of his philosophy, but what I have seen and heard of him, my response is, he is/was great. Have you seen the great documentary Derrida (2002), I was hooked after seeing it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TswHCM2 ... r_embedded

OK then Pluto - I too have no in-depth knowledge of his Theory of Language. However, if you feel like beating your head against a brick wall, you can follow my superficial attempt in the PN article thread 'Derrida's Performance' . My frustration shines through.
I am nowhere near 'hooked'. The documentary - the little I saw - sent me to sleep. Sorry

[Pluto]

Marching off to War

http://io9.com/5947112/watch-32-discord ... of-minutes

[Pluto]

To me he's a good guy, deconstruction is great, treating language in such as creative way is great too. He's French and his hair is cool, I like his dress sense, his jackets are great. He was on the side of people rather than power. I have no in-depth knowledge, as you can see, of his philosophy, but what I have seen and heard of him, my response is, he is/was great. Have you seen the great documentary Derrida (2002), I was hooked after seeing it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TswHCM2 ... r_embedded

OK then Pluto - I too have no in-depth knowledge of his Theory of Language. However, if you feel like beating your head against a brick wall, you can follow my superficial attempt in the PN article thread 'Derrida's Performance' . My frustration shines through.
I am nowhere near 'hooked'. The documentary - the little I saw - sent me to sleep. Sorry

No it's fine, no need to say sorry. I had a look at your thread on Derrida and found it too heavy and dense.

[marjoram_blues]

Marching off to War

http://io9.com/5947112/watch-32-discord ... of-minutes

There were 32 metronomes sitting on a board...

What do you think the human equivalent of the 'energy intermediary' would be? Would we wish to be so 'coupled' - all ticking along tickety-boo ?Or...perhaps if we were all kept 'in step' by inter-metronomous 'communication' ( total ideological agreement ),there would be no war?

Is war the price worth paying for...becoming 'at one'...like so many zombies... kowtowing to a single dictator...

[marjoram_blues]

To me he's a good guy, deconstruction is great, treating language in such as creative way is great too. He's French and his hair is cool, I like his dress sense, his jackets are great. He was on the side of people rather than power. I have no in-depth knowledge, as you can see, of his philosophy, but what I have seen and heard of him, my response is, he is/was great. Have you seen the great documentary Derrida (2002), I was hooked after seeing it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TswHCM2 ... r_embedded

OK then Pluto - I too have no in-depth knowledge of his Theory of Language. However, if you feel like beating your head against a brick wall, you can follow my superficial attempt in the PN article thread 'Derrida's Performance' . My frustration shines through.
I am nowhere near 'hooked'. The documentary - the little I saw - sent me to sleep. Sorry

No it's fine, no need to say sorry. I had a look at your thread on Derrida and found it too heavy and dense.

After watching the video, did you understand D's concepts, theory? I was already tired ( post Election night ) and the ambience of the vid...made me fast forward and only catch glimpses...
If there is a particular patch of enlightenment, then I'm still open...

Yes, following and questioning Yoni's performance article was like wading up to my neck in a mix of mud, treacle and twigs; the only lifeline being thrown that of coiled barbed wire. Painful. I survived to tell the tale...and fight another day...

There has to be something out there...

[marjoram_blues]

Pluto - this thread you started continues to inspire me - whether I want it to, or not - it's in my head. See what you gone and done !
You can find my latest thoughts on the subject of 'papers pervert people' and how philos might circumvent this, here:

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=15532

I invite you to be a devil and pick a philo, or two - someone you might see as a contender in the fight against 'perversion'.
If you can't find one, what can be done - to counter your concerns in a more positive way?

[Pluto]

Each group has its paper, the paper is like the pied-piper, leading them and keeping them on track. Reading the bible gives me strength, the words console and inflame my desire to remain true, to it. Of course magazines are also powerful, the magazine Rolling Stone, is a political magazine, it gives you the back story so that you you are able (with its help) to arrive at the correct conclusions. These are tools of thought control yet come across as friendly-type entertainments. If we could only drain the colour from its pages, pull back the curtain, like fair-ground rides, who have lost their colour and all we are left with is the metal machine.

http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/new ... d-20130717

Note to self:
my work is like a fairground ride whose bright flashy colours have been stripped back to reveal the metal underneath.

[marjoram_blues]

Each group has its paper, the paper is like the pied-piper, leading them and keeping them on track. Reading the bible gives me strength, the words console and inflame my desire to remain true, to it. Of course magazines are also powerful, the magazine Rolling Stone, is a political magazine, it gives you the back story so that you you are able (with its help) to arrive at the correct conclusion.

http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/new ... d-20130717

You devil you