Climate Change

[Hobbes' Choice]

I've not denied global warming nor climate change.
I've forgotten more about this subject than you will ever know about it.

[raw_thought]

Then why cant you speak intelligently about the subject. I give facts, sources etc. All you give is,you're wrong and stupid.

[SpheresOfBalance]

Is NASA falsifying evidence and part of the conspiracy/hoax?
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/GlobalW.9

NO one is denying that the earth is in a cycle of warming.
It's only those obsessed with GW who think that the climate ought to stay the same.
That's not what the thread is about.

The question is, that if humans are mainly responsible, then why is it that much of the evidence has been falsified?

So let me restate your bit above:
'The question is, that if "humans" are mainly responsible, then why is it that "humans" have falsified much of the evidence?'

Fact is you can't know that it has been falsified. Obviously you choose to believe it though. So we really have to wonder why.

[Hobbes' Choice]

Then why cant you speak intelligently about the subject. I give facts, sources etc. All you give is,you're wrong and stupid.

You need to read more carefully.

[raw_thought]

NASA, American Meteorological Society,the Royal Society and EVERY scientific organization in the world did not falsify data. Where did you get that nonsense from? Limbaugh?
Climategate? Go back to my very long post. Climategate was a fraud. The scientists NEVER falsified any data.
It was a scam done by a special interest group that was paid for by the oil industry.

[raw_thought]

Also,according to the milankovitch cycles we should be getting cooler,not warmer. If climate change was natural we would be getting cooler.

[raw_thought]

Yes, I do believe that NASA, American Meteorological Society....are not falsifying data. I am not a loony conspiracy buff.

[henry quirk]

I hear a lot about the (scientific community) consensus that climate change is human-driven.

How many scientists are there in the world, and how many of those scientists stand formally in the 'human-driven climate change' camp?

[Ned]

Have you visited the link I provided after the "World Scientists' Warning to Humanity" post (earlier on this thread)?

There is a long list of hundreds of signatures of world class scientists, including the majority of Nobel Laureates in the sciences.

See full article and list of signatories at http://www.worldtrans.org/whole/warning.html

That was in 1992 when we knew much less about the issue than we do now.

I also recommended some books earlier to those who sincerely and seriously want to know the truth.

Saying yes...no...yes...no...yes...no... will not get us there.

[raw_thought]

Consensus: 97% of climate scientists agree with AGW
http://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/
Well that is from NASA! The AGW deniers will claim that NASA is part of the international conspiracy led by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bat_Boy_%28character%29

[henry quirk]

Again: how many scientists are there in the world, and how many of those scientists stand formally in the 'human-driven climate change' camp?

[SpheresOfBalance]

Again: how many scientists are there in the world, and how many of those scientists stand formally in the 'human-driven climate change' camp?

Clearly, HQ is wanting to know, "of the scientists that are 'actually capable' of understanding the planet in terms of it's climate cycles, what ratio are of the 'human driven' causal belief?" He just apparently forgot to reduce 'worlds scientists' down to those that 'actually study' such things as the planets climate. As surely an ichthyologist, might not know.

[henry quirk]

You make a good point, SOB.

I wonder how many of the folks here (http://www.worldtrans.org/whole/warning.html) are "scientists that are 'actually capable' of understanding the planet in terms of it's climate cycles" and not just interested "ichthyologist(s)" and the like.

I still wanna know, however, (since 'scientific consensus' is one the cannons wielded in the human-driven climate change camp): how many scientists are there in the world, and how many of those scientists stand formally in the 'human-driven climate change' camp?

[Ned]

Not inclined to respond to my question in my last post, are you, henry?

[henry quirk]

If you review the thread, you'll note I did read the thing (Thu May 07, 2015 9:44 am) and declared myself unimpressed and not moved.

Again, Ned: how many scientists are there in the world, and how many of those scientists stand formally in the 'human-driven climate change' camp?