Why I became a vegetarian...

[Bill Wiltrack]

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[Melchior]

Spend a day in a chicken factory, with your beak cut off, constrained in a tiny space so you can hardly move, and see how you would enjoy being a food animal.

Have you ever had a pet? Would you have kept your dog or cat like that?

If not, why not?

What's the difference between one living thing (a pet) and another (a food animal)?

They are both alive, they both feel fear and pain exactly in the same way.

Think about it -- maybe not too late for you?

So fucking what? They are our food! Do you think the animals give a damn about their food? Of course not! Did you know that most plants are poisonous? They don't 'want' to be eaten, so they have evolved toxins and bitter tastes so that animals will either be poisoned or discouraged from eating them! Nothing 'wants' to be eaten, not even plants! So fucking what? Meat-eating is part of our evolutionary makeup.

http://img.burrard-lucas.com/kenya/full ... ebeest.jpg

http://shop.pcuk.org/media/catalog/prod ... lants_.jpg

[vegetariantaxidermy]

Spend a day in a chicken factory, with your beak cut off, constrained in a tiny space so you can hardly move, and see how you would enjoy being a food animal.

Have you ever had a pet? Would you have kept your dog or cat like that?

If not, why not?

What's the difference between one living thing (a pet) and another (a food animal)?

They are both alive, they both feel fear and pain exactly in the same way.

Think about it -- maybe not too late for you?

So fucking what? They are food!

So you are a psychopath, without empathy. Of course you can't help that. You were bred to be a jerk. You might be food yourself one day.

[Bill Wiltrack]

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[vegetariantaxidermy]

For fuck sake! We all know what goes on. We don't need it shoved in our face you fucking sicko!

[Melchior]

Spend a day in a chicken factory, with your beak cut off, constrained in a tiny space so you can hardly move, and see how you would enjoy being a food animal.

Have you ever had a pet? Would you have kept your dog or cat like that?

If not, why not?

What's the difference between one living thing (a pet) and another (a food animal)?

They are both alive, they both feel fear and pain exactly in the same way.

Think about it -- maybe not too late for you?

So fucking what? They are food!

So you are a psychopath, without empathy. Of course you can't help that. You were bred to be a jerk. You might be food yourself one day.

A man walked up to me on the street last week, and said "I haven't had a bite in a week!" So I bit him.


Pity the poor grass!

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[Ned]

For fuck sake! We all know what goes on. We don't need it shoved in our face you fucking sicko!

...and that is where the problem lies. We all know and we don't like to be reminded of it!

In most cases, not wanting to be reminded can be justified by saying: "there is nothing I can do to change it, why get upset?"

In this case, there is an alternative on a personal level. It takes some determination and imagination to find out, but the result doesn't lead to sacrifice and deprivation, but a MUCH MORE INTERESTING and enriched experience, as I found out.

SO many new and interesting ways to eat gourmet vegetarian dishes you never heard of before: it is fun, exciting, never ending adventure.

It takes intelligence, imagination, curiosity and a spirit of adventure.

EDIT: BTW, the sickos are those who create, profit from, support and knowingly benefit from the meat industry that treats living creatures as inanimate garbage.

[Lawrence Crocker]

If I were asked to judge the debate so far, I would have to give the palm to the vegetarians.

The argument that the pain of animals bred to be food doesn't count morally invites the objection that second and third generation slaves were bred to be slaves. They would not have existed but for slavery. Still we don't think this justified their being held in servitude.

The vegetarian is at least justified in asking whether non-existence is better than existence as a factory chicken.

I am not sure there is anything inconsistent morally in not being a consistent vegetarian. One might believe that killing a chimpanzee for food was worse than killing a cow which is worse than killing a fish which is worse than killing a snail which is worse than killing a locust. Our theory of levels of consciousness of animals may be a little crude, but it is surely onto something. Nature of pain felt, length of time it is appreciated, ability to anticipate it all seem to be morally relevant variables.

[Melchior]

If I were asked to judge the debate so far, I would have to give the palm to the vegetarians.

The argument that the pain of animals bred to be food doesn't count morally invites the objection that second and third generation slaves were bred to be slaves. They would not have existed but for slavery. Still we don't think this justified their being held in servitude.

The vegetarian is at least justified in asking whether non-existence is better than existence as a factory chicken.

I am not sure there is anything inconsistent morally in not being a consistent vegetarian. One might believe that killing a chimpanzee for food was worse than killing a cow which is worse than killing a fish which is worse than killing a snail which is worse than killing a locust. Our theory of levels of consciousness of animals may be a little crude, but it is surely onto something. Nature of pain felt, length of time it is appreciated, ability to anticipate it all seem to be morally relevant variables.

Uhm, how many holes have they drilled in your skull in their futile attempts to let the demons out? Animals have been eating other animals from the very beginning. Get used to it, you wasted hippie remnant of the depraved 60s. You people make me sick. It's no surprise to me that you are a retired professor of philosophy (spit). I have a degree in philosophy. I saw you degenerates first-hand. A more despicable group of individuals would be hard to find. You lie, dissemble, intimidate, and bully. The most depraved, least moral and most dishonest, despicable people on the planet are philosophy professors.

http://news.discovery.com/animals/dinos ... ivores.htm

http://www.livescience.com/38569-earlie ... xygen.html

[Ned]

Mel, as of now you are on my ignore list. I don't need to see any more of your malevolent, infantile, idiotic comments.

Don't bother to answer, I won't see it.

[Melchior]

Mel, as of now you are on my ignore list. I don't need to see any more of your malevolent, infantile, idiotic comments.

Don't bother to answer, I won't see it.

Of course. Hiding your eyes is typical for the demented.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

I have a degree in philosophy.

I'm not sure whether to say 'yeah right' or 'why doesn't that surprise me?'

[Melchior]

Being 'bred for food' doesn't render them machines without feelings. I also think you are referring to self-righteous 'faux vegetarians', the ones who claim to be 'vegetarian' but still eat fish and chicken (and secretly probably every other kind of meat), and talk about it all the time. I have a cousin who became a vegetarian at the age of five, as soon as he discovered what meat was. Nothing would induce him to eat it. He's pretty much only lived on nuts ever since. He never mentions it to anyone. He's also a genius.

Yes, they have 'feelings', and yes, we eat them without feeling the slightest guilt. Just like other omnivores and carnivores.

https://youtu.be/3hp3NSTPle4

https://youtu.be/Gy96muNxuro

Watch the snake bite the eye of the croc:

https://youtu.be/xfYAj1k9uZM

[Melchior]

I have a degree in philosophy.

I'm not sure whether to say 'yeah right' or 'why doesn't that surprise me?'

I don't fall for bad arguments, ever.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

I have a degree in philosophy.

I'm not sure whether to say 'yeah right' or 'why doesn't that surprise me?'

I don't fall for bad arguments, ever.

What have you been presenting then? Irrational garbage and insults about 'hippies'. Did you know that farm animal farts are a big contributor to global warming? Let me guess, you don't believe in global warming either. It's just a 'lefty libtard' conspiracy to stop yanks from fucking up the planet and having fun in hummers, or whatever those huge tanks are called that yanks love to drive around in.