I would be interested to hear others thoughts on this quote from Nietzsche

[Melchior]

Very good interpretation of the Wille zur Macht. I'm glad to see that someone has a correct interpretation of Nietzsche. A good book on this subject is by a friend of mine, Abir Taha, called "The Cult of the Superman," We argue a lot on the methods at arriving at Ubermensch as she believes it is more religious (spiritual) than my biological version.

Zarathustra is trash. Every last word of it. The more you understand Nietzsche, the more you understand that he was pulling your leg, or crazy, or both.

[thedoc]

Very good interpretation of the Wille zur Macht. I'm glad to see that someone has a correct interpretation of Nietzsche. A good book on this subject is by a friend of mine, Abir Taha, called "The Cult of the Superman," We argue a lot on the methods at arriving at Ubermensch as she believes it is more religious (spiritual) than my biological version.

Zarathustra is trash. Every last word of it. The more you understand Nietzsche, the more you understand that he was pulling your leg, or crazy, or both.

I stopped reading Zarathustra after several pages of self-aggrandizing nonsense.

[Melchior]

Very good interpretation of the Wille zur Macht. I'm glad to see that someone has a correct interpretation of Nietzsche. A good book on this subject is by a friend of mine, Abir Taha, called "The Cult of the Superman," We argue a lot on the methods at arriving at Ubermensch as she believes it is more religious (spiritual) than my biological version.

Zarathustra is trash. Every last word of it. The more you understand Nietzsche, the more you understand that he was pulling your leg, or crazy, or both.

I stopped reading Zarathustra after several pages of self-aggrandizing nonsense.

Well I'll be damned. We need more people like you in the world! I remember throwing Hegel against the wall, in disgust.

http://quoteinvestigator.com/2013/03/26/great-force/

Most fiction, even so-called 'classics' is trash.

Compare these two translations:

It is not fear; it is rather that we have nothing more to fear from men; it is that man is a teeming, writhing mass of worms;
it is that the ‘tame man’, the hopelessly mediocre and unpleasant creature, has learned to consider himself an end and as
supreme, as the culmination of history, a ‘higher man’; yes, it is that he has a certain right to feel like that, in so far as he feels
that he is remote from the masses – the unfit, the wretched, the diseased, the exhausted – whose stench is beginning to fill
present- day Europe, he at any rate has achieved a relative success, he is capable of life, he at any rate still says ‘yes’ to life.

Rather it’s the fact that we have nothing more to fear from man, that the maggot “man” is in the foreground swarming around, that the “tame man,” the hopelessly mediocre and unedifying man, has already learned to feel that he is the goal, the pinnacle, the meaning of history, “the higher man,”—yes indeed, that he has a certain right to feel that about himself, insofar as he feels separate from the excessive number of failed, sick, tired, and spent people, who are nowadays beginning to make Europe stink, so that he senses that he is at least relatively successful, at least still capable of life, of at least saying “Yes” to life.

[HexHammer]

Hi,
I would love to hear others interpretations of Nietzsche's famous quote

"He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you."

Perhaps this is an obvious interpretation but I take it to mean "We become what we fear". Or it could be seen as a variation on "Do unto others" with a more "dark side" slant as in, "If we see others as monsters we will become the monster in the eyes of those others". The "abyss" could be viewed as "If we believe in meaninglessness, we will live/become that meaninglessness.(The irony being that in a sense life is meaningless and it precisely that lack of intrinsic meaning which allows us to create and decide our own meaning and purpose for our lives. If life really was intrinsically "meaningful" we would be slaves to this "one and true meaning". No thank you very much )

The man is right, look at the isrealites, they whine about Holocaust, but they themselves have become Nazis. Look at 9/11, now USA has become the terrorists of the world bombing left and right.

[Buddhist guy]

The man is right, look at the isrealites, they whine about Holocaust, but they themselves have become Nazis. Look at 9/11, now USA has become the terrorists of the world bombing left and right.

Basically.

[van Keister]

Regardless, Also Sprach Zaranthustra, remains one of the greatest works of all time. Its message is quite clear: man stands alone in this world as he can evolve into Superhumanity or elect to debase himself into human sand. Nietzsche stands for the strong and powerful, those unafraid of the future and able to change the world. That is what frightens everyone....

[Melchior]

Regardless, Also Sprach Zaranthustra, remains one of the greatest works of all time. Its message is quite clear: man stands alone in this world as he can evolve into Superhumanity or elect to debase himself into human sand. Nietzsche stands for the strong and powerful, those unafraid of the future and able to change the world. That is what frightens everyone....

What is 'superhumanity'? Nietzsche never used übermenschlichkeit. My opinion of Zarathustra is that it is crap, and I like Nietzsche.

[Buddhist guy]

And who decides who is "the powerful"?

[Wyman]

And who decides who is "the powerful"?

I wouldn't think it was a matter of ' who decides'; but rather, who rises up and who steps aside.

[Buddhist guy]

And who decides who is "the powerful"?

I wouldn't think it was a matter of ' who decides'; but rather, who rises up and who steps aside.

Hi Wyman,
Then I guess both the one who rises up and the one who steps aside both implicitly agree. It was more of a rhetorical question really. Was Nietzsche talking about power with or power over others? I suspect power over, but that's just an opinion.

[Melchior]

And who decides who is "the powerful"?

I wouldn't think it was a matter of ' who decides'; but rather, who rises up and who steps aside.

Hi Wyman,
Then I guess both the one who rises up and the one who steps aside both implicitly agree. It was more of a rhetorical question really. Was Nietzsche talking about power with or power over others? I suspect power over, but that's just an opinion.

Not exactly. It's power over oneself.

[van Keister]

"Power over oneself" is the modern watered down, psychological interpretation of Nietzsche, where anything against the insufferable status quo is cast aside.

[Melchior]

"Power over oneself" is the modern watered down, psychological interpretation of Nietzsche, where anything against the insufferable status quo is cast aside.

Selbstüberwindung is the term he sometimes uses.

[Buddhist guy]

Okay, thanks.

[Melchior]

Okay, thanks.

http://www.dict.cc/?s=Selbst%C3%BCberwindung+

http://www.linguee.com/english-german/s ... berwindung