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jackles
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are you just a big bang visitor

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Yes is consciousness experiencing the big bang event as it is currently and just using your body and brain to get the most out of the visit.
Dalek Prime
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Well, I always try to remain aware of my smallness in the cosmic scheme. And, in that sense, I'm just a passerby. It really does help keep me keep my perspective in this world.
surreptitious57
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Life is an infinitesimally tiny event occurring between non existence on the one hand and death on the other so from a temporal
perspective it is of practically zero significance. What makes it significant though is the fact that it can be experienced in a way
that the other two cannot though it is always a good idea to be aware of our place in the grand scheme of things however. Since
there will come a time when not only us as individuals but as a species also shall be no more. In five billion years time Earth will
will be atomised by the Sun after it becomes a red giant. If you think about that too much it could make you wonder what is the
point of it all ? To which my answer would be there is none . There is no point to anything. It just is. If you can accept that then
you will have learned one of the two great universal truths [ the other is that death is nothing to be feared ] Now I have learned
both of these truths so neither bothers me. In doing so I am as free as it is possible to be while still being alive. Though absolute
freedom will come when I am dead. Now I am in no great rush to experience it. But when it does beckon I will have no fear of it
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Are you an antinatalist, surreptitious57?
van Keister
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The Big Bang, regardless of modern science attempt to establish it as standard dogma, is just a theory and may, according to some experts (Halton Arp, Seeing Red be wrong. That would make the Big Bang on the same level as epicycles, necessary to same the phenomenon. Actually the Big Bang doesn't explain anything in that it doesn't explain the origin of the universe as something cannot come from nothing. There had to be something (matter, energy, or stuff) to start the big bang. The big bang reveals more about our phenomenological makeup than anything real in the universe.
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The Big Bang is not a theory but a fact. But what is not a fact though is whether or not it was the beginning
of everything. This cannot currently be subject to potential falsification for science is unable to investigate
what did happen before it. Now the Big Bang could still have been the beginning of this universe but in that
context it simply means local cosmic expansion and nothing else. So it does not mean absolutely everything
van Keister
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The Big Bang is not a fact but a theory based upon Red Shifts. Even Hubbell himself believed that there may be other explanations for the red shift other than expansion. Red Arp's "Seeing Red," as I am only quoting him..
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The Big Bang is a fact not a theory. And the explanation for the red shift is the fact that galaxies are receding
from each other beyond light speed as dark energy is forcing them apart. Though it is important to emphasise
that it is specifically the space between them which is expanding for they themselves remain unaffected by it
van Keister
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Arp is right: moderns defend red shift as medieval thinkers defended epicycles to save the phenomenon. When science demands that red shifts are the result of expansion and are factual, then science has become dogmatic and lost it scientific inquiry. Your belief in dark matter is also mentioned by Arp who states that astronomers have been looking for this missing mass for 40 years on the basis of their theories that require it. Ninety percent of the universe is missing as with your logic....
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Dark matter and dark energy combined account for ninety six per cent of the observable Universe as currently
understood. But it is wrong to say that it is missing for that is categorically untrue. It is that those terms are
merely placeholders till a greater understanding of what they are can be determined. It is not the Universe
that is deficient but our understanding of it which is something entirely different. And unless we are ever
going to know absolutely every thing about it [ we are not ] there shall always be gaps in our knowledge
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