Was Satan wrong to demand equal rights in heaven?

[Greatest I am]

Strange that God could not keep harmony in heaven, even when omnipotent and have the greatest powers of persuasion, that somehow did not work on Satan, yet you would give up all freedom here thinking it would stay harmonious.

Good thinking. Not.

Regards
DL

In the Book of Job, lucifer turns to God to put Job (paradigm of the righteous man) to the test. Lucifer, like all the angels and humans, possesses intelligence and will, therefore, the ability to choose if stating as the end of their actions God (corresponding to God and thus allowing the establishment of a relationship of love) or not. In the case of lucifer that's the last infringement. Holding firmly that man is not able to fall outside his space-time contest, and that the analysis focuses on a time eternally present, (i.e.: the fall of lucifer and the man is not internal to the physical creation, and so a fact; but it is a spiritual state), "before" that lucifer rebelled there wasn't evil.

Space time contest.

Try English.

"In the Book of Job, lucifer turns to God to put Job (paradigm of the righteous man) to the test."

You mean God turned to Satan. After all, God called Satan, Satan did not call God.

Did you note in Job 2;3 that God complains that Satan moved him to destroy without cause?

That is God sinning and doing evil. Right?

So just who was in charge that day?

Looks like Satan, who moved God to sin.

Regards
DL

[David Handeye]

You mean God turned to Satan. After all, God called Satan, Satan did not call God.

No, you are wrong.

Did you note in Job 2;3 that God complains that Satan moved him to destroy without cause.

No, you are wrong.

That is God sinning and doing evil. Right?

No, you are wrong.

So just who was in charge that day?

No, you are wrong.

Looks like Satan, who moved God to sin.

No, you are wrong.

Regards

No, you are wrong.

DL

No, you are wrong.

[Greatest I am]

Thanks for the detailed argument.

Regards
DL

[ReliStuPhD]

Thanks for the detailed argument.

Regards
DL

As my department chair once said, "Sometimes you just have to say "Freud was just wrong.'"

[Greatest I am]

Thanks for the detailed argument.

Regards
DL

As my department chair once said, "Sometimes you just have to say "Freud was just wrong.'"

Sure, but when one has not read him and says it, then that one sounds stupid.

Regards
DL

[ReliStuPhD]

<Double post>

[ReliStuPhD]

As my department chair once said, "Sometimes you just have to say "Freud was just wrong.'"

Sure, but when one has not read him and says it, then that one sounds stupid.

Right. I'm not defending David's particular style of argumentation, just relating a humorous anecdote it reminded me of.

[Greatest I am]

I did not really read it as a defence.

Regards
DL

[ReliStuPhD]

On an unrelated note, have we lost the ability to delete threads with the new format? Didn't realize I'd double-posted, but now I don't see that I can delete one of them.

[Greatest I am]

On an unrelated note, have we lost the ability to delete threads with the new format? Didn't realize I'd double-posted, but now I don't see that I can delete one of them.

You cannot delete but you can edit and clear all and type in a stand alone ---- Oop.

Regards
DL

[ReliStuPhD]

You cannot delete but you can edit and clear all and type in a stand alone ---- Oop.

Thanks. Guess I'm thinking of another forum.

[thedoc]

In the Book of Job, lucifer turns to God to put Job (paradigm of the righteous man) to the test. Lucifer, like all the angels and humans, possesses intelligence and will, therefore, the ability to choose if stating as the end of their actions God (corresponding to God and thus allowing the establishment of a relationship of love) or not. In the case of lucifer that's the last infringement. Holding firmly that man is not able to fall outside his space-time contest, and that the analysis focuses on a time eternally present, (i.e.: the fall of lucifer and the man is not internal to the physical creation, and so a fact; but it is a spiritual state), "before" that lucifer rebelled there wasn't evil.

Space time contest.
Try English.
"In the Book of Job, lucifer turns to God to put Job (paradigm of the righteous man) to the test."
You mean God turned to Satan. After all, God called Satan, Satan did not call God.
Did you note in Job 2;3 that God complains that Satan moved him to destroy without cause?
That is God sinning and doing evil. Right?
So just who was in charge that day?
Looks like Satan, who moved God to sin.

Regards
DL

There is a translation of Satan that means "self" so that in effect God was talking to himself and there was no-one else there. In that interpretation it is God who did everything and then didn't try to justify God's action to Job, just left it that God was superior and could do whatever God wanted.

[Greatest I am]

There are likely hundreds of interpretations. All wrong except mine.

Regards
DL

[ReliStuPhD]

There is a translation of Satan that means "self" so that in effect God was talking to himself and there was no-one else there. In that interpretation it is God who did everything and then didn't try to justify God's action to Job, just left it that God was superior and could do whatever God wanted.

Could you expound on this translation a bit? I'm willing to bet it's tied to a human context rather than a divine one, but I'd be interested to see it, especially if it's taken to be God arguing with "him"self.

[thedoc]

There is a translation of Satan that means "self" so that in effect God was talking to himself and there was no-one else there. In that interpretation it is God who did everything and then didn't try to justify God's action to Job, just left it that God was superior and could do whatever God wanted.

Could you expound on this translation a bit? I'm willing to bet it's tied to a human context rather than a divine one, but I'd be interested to see it, especially if it's taken to be God arguing with "him"self.

I'll have to ask my Pastor, she brought it up Sun a week ago, and didn't do into much detail about it, except to say that it was one of the meanings of Satan in the original language of Job.