Was Satan wrong to demand equal rights in heaven?

[Greatest I am]

The nobility of Satan's defiance is a calamitous misunderstanding. Perpetuated most obviously by Milton's Paradise Lost. If the tyrannical story is taken at face value, then I would agree with Blaggard's response. However I think the essential purpose of the myth is not a commentary on the hierarchy of power, but rather a call to understand a truth. Namely, that our lives should be grounded in God (or love, or eternity) through faithful commitment. Living un-harmoniously and with selfish greed is the path to perdition. And not in some torturous afterlife, but in the corrupt condition of the heart.

I agree that we should seek love for all.

Note though how Christianity has taken that good theology and turned against women and gays whom they have consigned to being second class citizens. That is seeking to hate and discriminate against many without a just cause.

Regards
DL

[David Handeye]

She wanted your God who also " JUST WANTED TO BE THE ONLY LEADER" to end his tyranny and allow a vote.

I ask again.

If our leaders decided to deny anyone else leadership, would you say you would be in harmony with such a policy?

Regards
DL

Allow a vote? weren't you gnostic? I thought so, but you can't, really you can't be gnostic. Perhaps I didn't understand well, sorry.

[Greatest I am]

But the corrupt condition of the hearth is just satan's intent, not exclusively for some afterlife, rather for real life, which is satan's ground. For this, there is nothing of noble in lucifer's defiance, neither mythical nor pedagogical, on the contrary it's an immoral act of arrogance, immoral because he rebelled against his Creator, and then because he's obviously a coward, as he's a deceiver: his only trick is that of an alleged individual liberty, falling in a social relativism. But really that's not liberty, it's vice, depravation, moral turpitude, nothing else than slavery concealed of liberty.

Do you have liberty in heaven?

Paul said we have two choices. Be a slave to sin or a slave to God.

He recognized the tyranny of God's heaven and so will any who can think. A celestial dictatorship as Hitchens described it. No free though allowed.

Regards
DL

[Greatest I am]

She wanted your God who also " JUST WANTED TO BE THE ONLY LEADER" to end his tyranny and allow a vote.

I ask again.

If our leaders decided to deny anyone else leadership, would you say you would be in harmony with such a policy?

Regards
DL

Allow a vote? weren't you gnostic? I thought so, but you can't, really you can't be gnostic. Perhaps I didn't understand well, sorry.

You are screwing up your own understanding but trying so hard not to answer that simple question I am asking you. My being a Gnostic Christian has nothing to do with your refusal to answer a simple and plain question.

The fact you do not means that you are not happy with your own answer.


I ask again.

If our leaders decided to deny anyone else leadership, would you say you would be in harmony with such a policy?

Regards
DL

[David Handeye]

But the corrupt condition of the hearth is just satan's intent, not exclusively for some afterlife, rather for real life, which is satan's ground. For this, there is nothing of noble in lucifer's defiance, neither mythical nor pedagogical, on the contrary it's an immoral act of arrogance, immoral because he rebelled against his Creator, and then because he's obviously a coward, as he's a deceiver: his only trick is that of an alleged individual liberty, falling in a social relativism. But really that's not liberty, it's vice, depravation, moral turpitude, nothing else than slavery concealed of liberty.

Do you have liberty in heaven?

Paul said we have two choices. Be a slave to sin or a slave to God.

He recognized the tyranny of God's heaven and so will any who can think. A celestial dictatorship as Hitchens described it. No free though allowed.

Regards
DL

I think you are drunk. Or you just don't know what you're saying. Paul, never liked speaking of this deceiver, but truly, he never recognized anything of what you're saying.
Yes, in Heaven you have liberty, who told you the contrary? The point is only one, if you want to understand, that is lucifer wanted liberty just for himself.

[David Handeye]

She wanted your God who also " JUST WANTED TO BE THE ONLY LEADER" to end his tyranny and allow a vote.

I ask again.

If our leaders decided to deny anyone else leadership, would you say you would be in harmony with such a policy?

Regards
DL

Allow a vote? weren't you gnostic? I thought so, but you can't, really you can't be gnostic. Perhaps I didn't understand well, sorry.

You are screwing up your own understanding but trying so hard not to answer that simple question I am asking you. My being a Gnostic Christian has nothing to do with your refusal to answer a simple and plain question.

The fact you do not means that you are not happy with your own answer.


I ask again.

If our leaders decided to deny anyone else leadership, would you say you would be in harmony with such a policy?

Regards
DL

Why not? What's harmony in your opinion? Is in your opinion harmony just to do anything you like? No, that's not harmony.
In a family there is harmony, nobody sane of mind would rebel against his father, just to be the head-of-the-family.

[Hobbes' Choice]

I see no reason to assume that the 'serpent" of Eden, Satan "the servant of God" and The fallen angel of the idea you express.
It is most likely that these three, and more references to demigods are from different traditions collected together in a confused and incoherent way.

This renders the thread empty of meaning.

Why not give chapter and verse?

Whilst you are about it, please consider that you are recalling the account of people who are assuming that god is the good guy. So really, you are missing the point to say "Satan" whoever he is was right. That's not the point of the story.

[DesolationRow]

I thought we were specifically referencing the Fallen Angel mythos.

[Hobbes' Choice]

I thought we were specifically referencing the Fallen Angel mythos.

What's that?

[DesolationRow]

I thought we were specifically referencing the Fallen Angel mythos.

What's that?

The moral tale of Satan as a rebellious angel whose hubris severed his relationship with the creator God.

[Greatest I am]

But the corrupt condition of the hearth is just satan's intent, not exclusively for some afterlife, rather for real life, which is satan's ground. For this, there is nothing of noble in lucifer's defiance, neither mythical nor pedagogical, on the contrary it's an immoral act of arrogance, immoral because he rebelled against his Creator, and then because he's obviously a coward, as he's a deceiver: his only trick is that of an alleged individual liberty, falling in a social relativism. But really that's not liberty, it's vice, depravation, moral turpitude, nothing else than slavery concealed of liberty.

Do you have liberty in heaven?

Paul said we have two choices. Be a slave to sin or a slave to God.

He recognized the tyranny of God's heaven and so will any who can think. A celestial dictatorship as Hitchens described it. No free though allowed.

Regards
DL

I think you are drunk. Or you just don't know what you're saying. Paul, never liked speaking of this deceiver, but truly, he never recognized anything of what you're saying.
Yes, in Heaven you have liberty, who told you the contrary? The point is only one, if you want to understand, that is lucifer wanted liberty just for himself.

Now you are just lying as he was leading a full third of the angels.

I will be happy to retract if you have biblical evidence to show.

Regards
DL

[Greatest I am]

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Allow a vote? weren't you gnostic? I thought so, but you can't, really you can't be gnostic. Perhaps I didn't understand well, sorry.

You are screwing up your own understanding but trying so hard not to answer that simple question I am asking you. My being a Gnostic Christian has nothing to do with your refusal to answer a simple and plain question.

The fact you do not means that you are not happy with your own answer.


I ask again.

If our leaders decided to deny anyone else leadership, would you say you would be in harmony with such a policy?

Regards
DL[/quote]
Why not? What's harmony in your opinion? Is in your opinion harmony just to do anything you like? No, that's not harmony.
In a family there is harmony, nobody sane of mind would rebel against his father, just to be the head-of-the-family.[/quote]

You introduced the word harmony and I just went with it.

Your answer indicates that you would accept a tyranny. Right?

If so, what is the difference between a tyranny and a master slave owner owning us all? If any.

Regards
DL

[Greatest I am]

I see no reason to assume that the 'serpent" of Eden, Satan "the servant of God" and The fallen angel of the idea you express.
It is most likely that these three, and more references to demigods are from different traditions collected together in a confused and incoherent way.

This renders the thread empty of meaning.

Why not give chapter and verse?

Whilst you are about it, please consider that you are recalling the account of people who are assuming that god is the good guy. So really, you are missing the point to say "Satan" whoever he is was right. That's not the point of the story.

I agree with your view of the confused and incoherent way the bible is laid out.

If a Christian does happen by to say that God is good, I will just have to argue the opposite and I have a lot more proof of God being evil than he will have of God being good.

Regards
DL

[Greatest I am]

I thought we were specifically referencing the Fallen Angel mythos.

Indeed. That is how it started.

Did Satan deserve to become fallen or should we thank her for showing us that we should rebel against tyranny?

Regards
DL

[Greatest I am]

I thought we were specifically referencing the Fallen Angel mythos.

What's that?

The moral tale of Satan as a rebellious angel whose hubris severed his relationship with the creator God.

Who has more hubris than God?

Regards
DL