Evolution defines pleasure as the only good

[MozartLink]

There are 3 pleasure states: negative (hopelessness), neutral (anhedonia), and positive (feeling pleasure). The negative state of pleasure (depression), depression is also a natural response by evolution to discourage our survival aside from it being something such as a chemical imbalance or the result of a brain abnormality. It warns us when something is going wrong in our lives which is the reason why we become depressed when something bad happens in our lives such as the loss of a loved one, etc. When we are encouraged for survival, that would be defined as having genuine good perceptions in life such as to want to live and make the best of our lives, help others, etc. This encouragement can only be defined through our pleasure since it is only our feelings that genuinely encourage and discourage our survival. They are the only things that genuinely make us perceive our lives as either being good and worth living or as bad and not worth living at all. But if you are in a state of anhedonia (absence of pleasure), then this should also tell you that your life is not worth living at all either since how we normally function as human beings would be through relying on our perception of good to make our lives good and worth living. That neutral perception should then send a depressive signal to your brain and then make you and your life bad and of truly even less worth now. As I said before, in a state of anhedonia, our good and bad perceptions are not genuine and is just our mind's irrational way of fooling ourselves into thinking that we are having genuine good and bad perceptions without having any pleasure or suffering in our lives at the moment.

I said that our encouragement for survival in life can only be defined by having genuine good perceptions. Therefore, since depression discourages our survival, then this means that we cannot genuinely perceive us and our lives as being good and worth living while in a state of significant depression since depression shuts down our good perceptions. Therefore, depression shuts down our good perceptions in a negative sense in that we would have bad perceptions, anhedonia simply neutralizes our perceptions in which we neither genuinely perceive our lives as being good or bad without pleasure and suffering, and pleasure is what defines our genuine good perceptions in life.

When a person is depressed, he/she might say to his/herself in a depressive mood (tonality) that his/her life is still good and worth living. He/she might very well continue on to pursue his/her dreams and goals in life even while still feeling depressed. But those good perceptions are all decoys without our pleasure as I've said before. The person's depression has shut down his/her genuine good perceptions in life. But he/she is now doing nothing more than just simply saying to his/herself that his/her life is still good and worth living anyway and just forcing his/herself to live life anyway. So now this person is just simply being fooled by words and phrases alone when there is no genuine good perception at all from those words and phrases while he/she is in a state of depression.

On one side of the spectrum you have people who are so severely depressed that they don't want to do anything who find no good value in their lives. They can hardly function and can hardly want to do things in their lives at all. These types of people are so severe that they can never bring themselves to make the best of their lives and such. These types of people need electric shock treatment. But on the other side of the spectrum you have people who are so happy and excited in life that they are doing all sorts of great things in life. So based on that, you can clearly see how our level of pleasure defines our level of good perception in life. But even if it were somehow a proven fact that you and your life are truly good even in a state of depression/anhedonia, then what good is that going to do for you? What is the use of you and your life being good if you are not even allowed to genuinely perceive it as being good?

Now our perceptions do define how we feel. But it's our feelings that make those said perceptions genuinely good or bad only from the perspective of those feelings alone and not from the perspective of those perceptions (thoughts) alone which are all neutral in of themselves as I've said before. So it's just how we feel independent of our thoughts that genuinely makes us and our lives good or bad. I also realize that there is one other emotion which would be empathy. There are also 3 states of empathy as well: negative (in which you feel bad such as you feeling sorry for hurting someone else), neutral (no empathy in which one might also just simply help others out anyway through just thoughts and such alone), and positive (which would be a feeling of pleasure in which you feel good for helping someone else). Here again, the negative state defines us and our lives as being bad and genuinely defines our perceptions as bad, the neutral defines us and our lives as being neither good or bad and our perceptions as being neither good or bad without our pleasure, and the positive state is what genuinely defines us and our lives as being genuinely good and defines our perceptions as being genuinely good.

In conclusion, I am making these arguments to try and help find better cures and treatments for anhedonia and depression. If people would realize that pleasure and suffering are the only true good and bad things in life, then they would be much more inclined to find better treatments and a cure. Too many people are just accepting of suffering due to them thinking that they are still good people even with much suffering and/or an absence of pleasure in their lives. But I wish to change this mindset so that people would then truly realize once and for all the pleasure and suffering really are the only true good and bad things in life. Not only am I trying to find better treatments and cures for depression and anhedonia, but also for suffering in general. My hedonistic values would also encourage others to find better treatments and cures for suffering in general as well. This would also even include mortality since living in an eternal blissful life of no suffering is the one and only greatest life there is and is the one and only thing that would make you the greatest person.

[Philosophy Explorer]

There are 3 pleasure states: negative (hopelessness), neutral (anhedonia), and positive (feeling pleasure). The negative state of pleasure (depression), depression is also a natural response by evolution to discourage our survival aside from it being something such as a chemical imbalance or the result of a brain abnormality. It warns us when something is going wrong in our lives which is the reason why we become depressed when something bad happens in our lives such as the loss of a loved one, etc. When we are encouraged for survival, that would be defined as having genuine good perceptions in life such as to want to live and make the best of our lives, help others, etc. This encouragement can only be defined through our pleasure since it is only our feelings that genuinely encourage and discourage our survival. They are the only things that genuinely make us perceive our lives as either being good and worth living or as bad and not worth living at all. But if you are in a state of anhedonia (absence of pleasure), then this should also tell you that your life is not worth living at all either since how we normally function as human beings would be through relying on our perception of good to make our lives good and worth living. That neutral perception should then send a depressive signal to your brain and then make you and your life bad and of truly even less worth now. As I said before, in a state of anhedonia, our good and bad perceptions are not genuine and is just our mind's irrational way of fooling ourselves into thinking that we are having genuine good and bad perceptions without having any pleasure or suffering in our lives at the moment.

I said that our encouragement for survival in life can only be defined by having genuine good perceptions. Therefore, since depression discourages our survival, then this means that we cannot genuinely perceive us and our lives as being good and worth living while in a state of significant depression since depression shuts down our good perceptions. Therefore, depression shuts down our good perceptions in a negative sense in that we would have bad perceptions, anhedonia simply neutralizes our perceptions in which we neither genuinely perceive our lives as being good or bad without pleasure and suffering, and pleasure is what defines our genuine good perceptions in life.

When a person is depressed, he/she might say to his/herself in a depressive mood (tonality) that his/her life is still good and worth living. He/she might very well continue on to pursue his/her dreams and goals in life even while still feeling depressed. But those good perceptions are all decoys without our pleasure as I've said before. The person's depression has shut down his/her genuine good perceptions in life. But he/she is now doing nothing more than just simply saying to his/herself that his/her life is still good and worth living anyway and just forcing his/herself to live life anyway. So now this person is just simply being fooled by words and phrases alone when there is no genuine good perception at all from those words and phrases while he/she is in a state of depression.

On one side of the spectrum you have people who are so severely depressed that they don't want to do anything who find no good value in their lives. They can hardly function and can hardly want to do things in their lives at all. These types of people are so severe that they can never bring themselves to make the best of their lives and such. These types of people need electric shock treatment. But on the other side of the spectrum you have people who are so happy and excited in life that they are doing all sorts of great things in life. So based on that, you can clearly see how our level of pleasure defines our level of good perception in life. But even if it were somehow a proven fact that you and your life are truly good even in a state of depression/anhedonia, then what good is that going to do for you? What is the use of you and your life being good if you are not even allowed to genuinely perceive it as being good?

Now our perceptions do define how we feel. But it's our feelings that make those said perceptions genuinely good or bad only from the perspective of those feelings alone and not from the perspective of those perceptions (thoughts) alone which are all neutral in of themselves as I've said before. So it's just how we feel independent of our thoughts that genuinely makes us and our lives good or bad. I also realize that there is one other emotion which would be empathy. There are also 3 states of empathy as well: negative (in which you feel bad such as you feeling sorry for hurting someone else), neutral (no empathy in which one might also just simply help others out anyway through just thoughts and such alone), and positive (which would be a feeling of pleasure in which you feel good for helping someone else). Here again, the negative state defines us and our lives as being bad and genuinely defines our perceptions as bad, the neutral defines us and our lives as being neither good or bad and our perceptions as being neither good or bad without our pleasure, and the positive state is what genuinely defines us and our lives as being genuinely good and defines our perceptions as being genuinely good.

In conclusion, I am making these arguments to try and help find better cures and treatments for anhedonia and depression. If people would realize that pleasure and suffering are the only true good and bad things in life, then they would be much more inclined to find better treatments and a cure. Too many people are just accepting of suffering due to them thinking that they are still good people even with much suffering and/or an absence of pleasure in their lives. But I wish to change this mindset so that people would then truly realize once and for all the pleasure and suffering really are the only true good and bad things in life. Not only am I trying to find better treatments and cures for depression and anhedonia, but also for suffering in general. My hedonistic values would also encourage others to find better treatments and cures for suffering in general as well. This would also even include mortality since living in an eternal blissful life of no suffering is the one and only greatest life there is and is the one and only thing that would make you the greatest person.

First, this thread should have been posted in philosophical counseling.

This is a much studied area. I don't know if we can do better than the specialists. As far as absolute good and bad, often what looks good turns out to be bad once the ramifications are known and vice-versa, if we can agree on what is good and bad.

PhilX

[MozartLink]

My pleasure (all good feelings) is what I deem as my personal life. I must have that back. Or someone dies. It won't be an innocent person who is trying to help me recover my pleasure. It would instead be someone who mocks me by telling me to accept my absence of pleasure. How could I possibly accept something that renders me and my life of no good value whatsoever? You say that there are other good things in life besides pleasure. No, I do not believe that. Not in the least bit. This is because, from my personal experience of depression and anhedonia, my thoughts and such without my pleasure are just neutral conscious experiences to me. They have no life and are just nothing more than neutral sounds, images, phrases, etc. without my pleasure. Only my pleasure breathes life into those things and makes me and my life good. There is no transcending experience whatsoever from my thoughts and such alone without my pleasure. Again, it has nothing to do with me attributing neutral value to those said things that is making them neutral experiences for me. They really are all neutral in of themselves without my pleasure and it has nothing to do with me attributing neutral value or any other value to them. I live life to experience it and to be transcended by it. I am not some bland person who is fine living a life like some robot or someone who just lives life like a job and nothing more. I am more profound and greater than that. Therefore, I need my pleasure back to regain that said profound and great life.

If you were to make me watch a video of Hitler slaughtering the innocent Jews, I would perceive Hitler as being a bad person. But I would also realize that this version of bad is neutral (fake). Feelings of suffering are the only true bad things in life while feelings of pleasure are the only true good things in life. Therefore, if Hitler didn't have any feelings of suffering and only derived pleasure from slaughtering the Jews, then that pleasure would make him a good person. But since the Jews experienced feelings of suffering, then that would make them bad. Why do I say this? It's not because I am some sociopath or anything of the sort. Sociopaths have little to no empathy. I have empathy. If I saw Hitler or someone harming someone or some innocent living creature, I would feel very sorry for that living person/creature. However, I would realize that the psychopath would actually be a good person for deriving pleasure in harming that person/innocent living thing.

So, again, why do I say this? It is because my personal experience of depression and anhedonia (absence of pleasure) have made me realize that pleasure is the only truly good experience in life. I now realize that our thoughts and such without our pleasure are all neutral and are all neutral conscious experiences. If, let's pretend, I never had depression or anhedonia, then I would truly perceive Hitler as being a horrible person even though he derived pleasure from harming all the Jews. Therefore, you might then say that my depression and anhedonia have distorted my perceptions. But this is false. I now have every reason to believe that pleasure is the one and only true good thing in life. Please refer to my other packets which contain arguments and reasonings supporting this claim.

So as you can see here, we have good, bad, and neutral (neither good or bad). But the version of good and bad that comes from everything else in life besides our feelings of pleasure and suffering, they are all the neutral version of good and bad. In other words, they are the fake verison of good and bad. If this makes no sense to you, then allow me to explain. We would not refer to everything else in life besides our feelings of pleasure and suffering as being good or bad. We would instead refer to them as all being neutral. We would instead refer to feelings of pleasure as being what is the one and only good thing in life while feelings of suffering would be the one and only bad thing in life. Even if those neutral things only served to bring us and/or others nothing but suffering or pleasure, we would still not refer to them as being good or bad. Even if seeking pleasure only brought us and/or others nothing but suffering, we would still not refer to pleasure as being bad since it is always good since it is the true version of good. It is a version of good that is independent of our thoughts and moral values. It is a feeling version of good. Therefore, our value judgments including everything else in life can never define it as ever being bad or neutral. Same concept applies for our feelings of suffering. It does not matter what you say such as that seeking too much pleasure will cause a chemical tolerance and cause you an absence of pleasure and suffering, or if you were to tell me that other things in life besides our pleasure benefit our survival much more. Pleasure is still the only good thing in life since it is a feeling version of good and it cannot be defined as bad or neutral as I've said before. Same concept applies for our feelings of suffering.

If you were to stub your toe and inflict pain upon yourself, then that brief moment of pain would make you worse than Hitler. As a matter of fact, Hitler would be a good person if he had no feelings of suffering and had feelings of pleasure in a given moment from harming the Jews as I just said before and am saying here again to make myself clear in this paragraph (argument) as well.
Also, if I were to somehow perceive me and my life as being good and worth living without my pleasure, then that good perception would not be good at all. It would only be neutral and I would only be fooling myself into perceiving it as good. So people who have depression and/or anhedonia (absence of pleasure) who perceive them and their lives as being good and worth living anyway without their pleasure, these people are only fooling themselves. Everything else in life besides our feelings of pleasure and suffering that are claimed to be good and bad, that version of good and bad is a decoy and people must realize this so that we can find better treatments/cures for depression, anhedonia, and suffering in general since our pleasure is what is the only good thing in life and it is that much more vital that we have it in our lives.

I will add one last thing from my other packets here because this packet is a brief summary and I want to include this important point in this packet as well. This important point I want to make is that we are only in our own minds and not in the minds of others. We can only feel our own pleasure and suffering and we cannot feel the pleasure and suffering of others. The pleasure and suffering of others is only a neutral thought from our own perspective. When we feel pleasure from someone else experiencing pleasure or if we feel suffering from someone else experiencing suffering, that is all our own feelings of pleasure and suffering and we are not experiencing the pleasure and suffering of those other people. Therefore, since we can only experience our own feelings of pleasure and suffering, then it is only our own feelings of pleasure and suffering that matter to us and are the only things that define us and our lives as being good or bad. The pleasure and suffering of others should not matter to us since they are all just neutral thoughts and we cannot experience their pleasure or suffering. Our own pleasure and suffering should be the only things that matter to us in life either in a good way (pleasure) or a bad way (suffering). Other people should not matter to us at all. But even so, my family and other innocent people matter to me greatly regardless of this cruel and harsh truth I have discovered. This is because I am not some sociopath as I said before and I would not treat my family and other innocent people like they are nothing more than slaves to me.

[David Handeye]

Too many people are just accepting of suffering due to them thinking that they are still good people even with much suffering and/or an absence of pleasure in their lives.

These words you have written are totally absurd. Delle assurde stronzate.
Who could accept suffering? Do you know what suffering means? Do you have any idea? No, you don't.
People suffering do not think. They pray, to die. They ask, why me? They wait, for the end.

[MozartLink]

I am going to state something extremely important here. It is something truly amazing. When I had this depression and anhedonia (absence of pleasure), this lead me to a personal belief (conclusion) that pleasure is the only truly good thing in life, suffering is the only truly bad thing in life, while everything else in life is neutral (neither truly good or bad). I went online and typed in the question "Is pleasure the only good thing in life?" and I have found an established belief system that basically matches what I just said word for word. This belief is known as Psychological Hedonism. I am now going to give you the link (url) to this website:

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/hedonism/

Now that you've read it, I find it too much of a coincidence that an intelligent person such as myself has come up with a personal conclusion and that there also so happens to be a belief supported by science that says the exact same things I'm saying. Therefore, pleasure really must be the only truly good thing in life then and suffering must be the only truly bad thing in life.

I can honestly say here that this is something truly tragic though because this would mean that we would have every right to treat suffering people like shit since they are bad people since they feel bad. If we suffer, then we should treat ourselves like shit since we are bad people who deserve to be thrown and tossed away like metal scraps. It would also mean that we should bow down before those types of people who derive pleasure from making our lives shit since they are the greater people since they have pleasure in their lives.

[MozartLink]

Too many people are just accepting of suffering due to them thinking that they are still good people even with much suffering and/or an absence of pleasure in their lives.

These words you have written are totally absurd. Delle assurde stronzate.
Who could accept suffering? Do you know what suffering means? Do you have any idea? No, you don't.
People suffering do not think. They pray, to die. They ask, why me? They wait, for the end.

Then die. You would be nothing more than a malfunctioning machine that needs to be tossed and thrown into the metal scraps. This is exactly what I plan to do if I can never recover my pleasure. However, I am not the type of person to give up just yet. I will live for a possible recovery. But if that can never happen, then I die. We who suffer should live for a recovery first. But if it can never happen and if not having that said suffering in your life was the only thing that defined you and your personal life as good and worth living, then you should die. A life with as much pleasure and as little suffering as possible is the one and only greatest life there is and is the one and only thing that makes you the greatest person. Pleasure is all there is to life. Without that, you and your life are nothing regardless of how much you choose to help others and do other productive things in life despite your absence of pleasure.

I can give an analogue here for us who suffer. If there is a defective robot that can never be repaired, then that robot would be thrown into the metal scraps. However, if it can be fully repaired, then it will be deemed as a great robot since it can be fully repaired and fully functional again. Therefore, if I were to have a cure right now for all the people suffering, then they would now be great people since I can give them this cure which would free them of their suffering and allow them to live a blissful life. But since there is no cure, then they are nothing without their feelings of pleasure. It doesn't matter who these people are and how much they have chosen to help others out in life anyway despite their suffering and absence of pleasure. They are still nothing without their pleasure. If, let's pretend, that I were told that I would fully recover my lost pleasure by tomorrow, then that would make me and my life great. But if I were told that I would never recover, then me and my life would be utterly inferior and I would end my life. Therefore, the greatness of me and my life now solely lies on and is determined by fate now.

I know that many people would say to me that we are not robots and that we do have human value. Therefore, these people might say to me that my analogue is false then. But since pleasure is the only true good in life, then everything else in life is all neutral ("robotic") and we would have every right to treat ourselves and others who have no pleasure as defective robots that need to be thrown away in the event that they can never fully recover their lost pleasure. It would be the truly cruel thing to tell such a suffering person with nothing good in their lives that they should accept and move on in life. That person needs to instead be put out like a suffering animal.

You might also be thinking I am a pessimist. However, I am only a pessimist when I don't have my feelings of pleasure. But if I were to have my full normal pleasure back to me in life, then I would be an optimist. If I were to have any other form of suffering besides an absence of pleasure or depression, then I think I would still be an optimist. Therefore, as long as I have my full pleasure in life, then me and my life are good in any given situation.

[GreatandWiseTrixie]

If you were to stub your toe and inflict pain upon yourself, then that brief moment of pain would make you worse than Hitler. As a matter of fact, Hitler would be a good person if he had no feelings of suffering and had feelings of pleasure in a given moment from harming the Jews as I just said before and am saying here again to make myself clear in this paragraph (argument) as well.

Laughable, morally >inv< and simplistic.

I made a topic about hedonism, you might want to check it out.

[MozartLink]

I am going to bring up an important point I made in one of my other posts and I am going to explain further on it:

"We can use images and famous portraits to convey who we are as a person. If, for example, you were a composer, then you might choose to have an image of Beethoven as an expression of who you are. The image of someone who values suffering and values/seeks intelligence and the truth over pleasure might have the image of some famous intellect. However, if that image were to be hung up on my wall as an expression of who I am, then I would take a hammer and smash that portrait. This is because I do not value suffering and I value pleasure over intelligence. Profound feelings of love, joy, motivation, transcendence, innocence, etc. are the only things I value in my personal life. I have been mocked and insulted long enough with this absence of pleasure, depression, and there being no afterlife as a reward for it all. I have been even further mocked and insulted by people who tell me to accept and live with all of that and that I should just find other things of value such as knowing the truth and intelligence instead. Therefore, I would smash that portrait and replace it with a new one.

This new one would be a portrait of a pink-haired mother living in a blissful fantasy world with her pink-haired little daughter. They live lives of pure bliss and no suffering and no absence of pleasure. They are not selfish and do not act spoiled in living such a blissful life. They care for each other. They believe that they will live eternally in such a life and that no suffering or absence of pleasure would ever come to them. They also have no value towards suffering and have no value towards an absence of pleasure. They have no value in growing as a person through such suffering and they have no value in pushing and striving in life through such suffering either. They are perfectly fine and happy the way they are. They can live eternally in this perfect blissful life without ever going bored or ever going insane from it since it is the one and only greatest life for them. So this is the portrait that would express me. If I had the choice to either live eternally in such a life with them or to remain in this world, I would obviously choose to live with them. I also would never go bored or insane from living such an eternal blissful life since I also have immense full value towards such a life as well."

So now, I am going to talk some more about that quoted message. This would be no different than a bunch of happy bunnies who are carefree and have little suffering. In this case, they are bunnies that live lives of eternal bliss and no suffering. I only wish to live like a happy carefree bunny. It is only natural for us as human beings to want to live like that as well since we are also animals and it is only natural for animals to want to live like that. This is because pleasure is the only good thing in life and is the only thing that encourages our survival while feelings of suffering are the only bad things in life that discourage our survival. Therefore, to not want to live such a life and to instead have value towards other things in life greater than pleasure, then to deem feelings of pleasure to be of little to no significance would mean you have a mental disorder. I do not have such a mental disorder and nor would I ever have it. Therefore, I will always be bound to having such immense value towards my pleasure and I will always have this profound strong desire to have it back in my life which is a desire that only serves to bring me rage and depression since I can't have it back in my life.

If I had the choice right now, I would sacrifice all my human attributes and I would sacrifice my composing dream if it meant me living as a happy carefree bunny who feels pleasure all the time. But that would only be providing if I could never fully recover my lost pleasure as a human being. Also, if a human being is defined as someone who finds good value in other things in life besides feelings of pleasure (all good feelings), then don't even consider me a human being. Just consider me as a happy carefree bunny. I do not care about intelligence, I do not care about growing as a person through my suffering and absence of pleasure, and I don't care about this life at all without my feelings of pleasure. I also don't care about knowing the truth. In other words, me being an atheist who knows that there is no God or afterlife of eternal pleasure, this only serves to have no benefit for me and my life at all. It only serves to be a mockery and an insult to me. This is because a life of eternal pleasure and no suffering is the only greatest life there is and me being an atheist just takes that away from me. It just takes the belief in such an afterlife away from me. If I had my full pleasure in life right now, I would find immense value and such in this life through having the belief in an afterlife since that would encourage me more in this life in order to obtain that grand reward of an afterlife in the end. It would be the ultimate reward of eternal pleasure for me. I don't care if that said belief is delusional (which it is). Just me feeling a greater sense of pleasure from it is what would make me and my life better since pleasure is all there is to life and is the only true good thing in life. We should all kill each other if it means gaining more pleasure in life and that would make you a better person in gaining more pleasure. But I would not recommend it though since I do have empathy and would not recommend the harming of innocent people.

So just consider me as having the personality and desires of a happy innocent carefree bunny who just wants to live in its own natural habitat seeking pleasure. Nothing else matters to this bunny without its pleasure just as nothing else matters to me in my life without my pleasure. I would want to be a happy deluded bunny if I had the choice who believes in an afterlife of eternal pleasure of no suffering.

Even if I was the most intelligent genius in the world with no pleasure who could help many people all around the world through my intelligence, I would still sacrifice all my intelligence for a life of pure pleasure as a bunny. I would abandon my own family to live my life as a bunny out in the wild. I would not be having less value towards my family and other people in doing so. It is just my right and entitlement to live such a life since I am an innocent person. I have suffered long enough from depression and this absence of pleasure and I deserve to live such a blissful life.

Bunnies as well as other animals have immense value towards their feelings of pleasure as well as having immense value towards others of their kind. It is not a form of value in words or phrases since they do not speak words. It would be a value that is in a different form. Them having value towards both sides is what makes them more innocent and profound. But for you to have no value towards your feelings of pleasure or towards mine for that matter, that would make you much more inferior since you would be a bland human being who lives life like a job and a robot.

If you were such a non-hedonistic person who has no value towards profound feelings of pleasure like I do, then I can prove to you right here and now how you would be insensitive, cruel, bland, and inferior and how people who do have immense value towards both their pleasure as well as others are the more innocent profound people.

Such people who have no value towards pleasure would be very likely to say something to me such as:

"That's just tough. Life is a struggle and you die. Just accept your absence of pleasure and keep plowing through. I have had an absence of pleasure all my life. What's the big deal about not having pleasure? Also, your choice in becoming that bunny to sacrifice all your intelligence and to abandon your family just for a life of bliss, that is utterly selfish."

What I would then say in return to that person would be that he/she deserves to fucking die. He/she has been cruel and disrespectful towards my absence of pleasure and I will then be cruel and disrespectful in return. He/she is nothing profound, innocent, or great. He/she just lives life like some insensitive pathetic inferior robot doing chores and tasks. Furthermore, he/she calls me selfish when that is not the case at all. I have just as much value as any other innocent person which gives me every right to have focus and value towards myself. I would still have just as much value towards other innocent people even despite the fact that I have chosen to become that bunny. I deserve to live that blissful life for all my suffering of this depression and absence of pleasure I had for so very long.

This is one of the very reasons why I should detest the vast majority of humanity that consists of people like this and take advantage/harm them all I want if it meant bringing me pleasure. Since these types of people have treated me as though they are just simply observing someone separate from them and their lives as though they really don't care about me, then I would have every right to return the favor. I would have every right to not look at them as human beings. I would have every right to instead look at them as though they are nothing more than separate mocking/insulting chemical processes and atoms and for me to just walk over to those chemical processes and atoms and destroy them. It would be no different than some scientific device that speaks to you and says to you things you do not want to hear. You would just take that device and smash it. Therefore, I would smash the heads of these types of people. They are nothing more than bland speaking robots and deserve to be treated as such.

But a person who has immense value towards their profound feelings of pleasure as well as value towards others, this person would have a completely different attitude. This person would have a very sensitive, profound, innocent, and great personality. He/she would instead say to me:

"I have lived my life feeling indescribable profound innocence and joy from nature and the wild. They are transcending feelings and I can completely understand your loss of these feelings and how utterly devastating it is for you. I meditate to experience these profound feelings and I meditate all the beauty of this world and nature into these profound feelings of transcending innocence and joy. They are more important to me than the air I breathe. I don't know how I would live without them. Therefore, I really and truly pray that you get your full feelings of pleasure back to you in life. If I were to just tell you to accept your absence of pleasure which would be something I would never even begin to consider doing and would never consider telling you that, then that would make me the most cruel and insensitive inferior human being ever."

So as you can see here, this new person has a completely different personality that defines him/her as a true caring and profoundly innocent human being. Not only does he/she have immense value towards his/her feelings of pleasure, but he/she also has immense value towards others. Therefore, having both immense value towards your feelings of pleasure as well as others is what defines you as the truly profound and great human being. People who don't have immense value towards pleasure are bland inferior robots and those who only have value towards themselves and not others are also bland inferior robots. Therefore, having the equal amount of value towards your pleasure and others is what defines you as the truly great human being.

Now you might be thinking something here. You might be thinking that this person who has immense value towards feelings of pleasure I quoted above could also be someone bland and cruel. For example, if there was someone who valued something in his/her life and it was something that defined his/her life and humanity for him/her, then the person who has immense value towards pleasure (who we would call "he"), this person could have no value towards what the other person (who we would call "she") values. He might go up to her and say to her something such as what was in that first quoted message something like "Tough luck. Accept and deal with it." Therefore, if he had an attitude like this towards her, then she would have every right to return the favor and harm him. Her very life and humanity has been belittled and mocked by him and he should pay the price. Or, at least, she should scream at him at first. But if he does not shut up and respect her values and just keeps on insisting that she accept and move forward in life anyway, then she would have every right to deem him as no longer someone innocent and she would have every right to harm him.

In conclusion, I would like to say one last thing here which is that some people would say that there are greater things in life than pleasure such as intelligence, knowing the truth, etc. But pleasure is also something very profound as well. Feelings of joy, love, motivation, transcendence, etc. are all very profound feelings and should not be demeaned, belittled, and tossed aside.

[A_Seagull]

? Evolution defines pleasure as the only good...........?
Close, but not quite.

For evolution, the only 'good' is survival. And it rewards organisms with 'pleasure' when it considers that the organism is making progress towards that goal.

[GreatandWiseTrixie]

If, for example, you were a composer, then you might choose to have an image of Beethoven as an expression of who you are. The image of someone who values suffering and values/seeks intelligence and the truth over pleasure might have the image of some famous intellect. However, if that image were to be hung up on my wall as an expression of who I am, then I would take a hammer and smash that portrait. This is because I do not value suffering and I value pleasure over intelligence. Profound feelings of love, joy, motivation, transcendence, innocence, etc. are the only things I value in my personal life. I have been mocked and insulted long enough with this absence of pleasure, depression, and there being no afterlife as a reward for it all. I have been even further mocked and insulted by people who tell me to accept and live with all of that and that I should just find other things of value such as knowing the truth and intelligence instead. Therefore, I would smash that portrait and replace it with a new one.

This new one would be a portrait of a pink-haired mother living in a blissful fantasy world with her pink-haired little daughter. They live lives of pure bliss and no suffering and no absence of pleasure. They are not selfish and do not act spoiled in living such a blissful life. They care for each other. They believe that they will live eternally in such a life and that no suffering or absence of pleasure would ever come to them. They also have no value towards suffering and have no value towards an absence of pleasure. They have no value in growing as a person through such suffering and they have no value in pushing and striving in life through such suffering either. They are perfectly fine and happy the way they are. They can live eternally in this perfect blissful life without ever going bored or ever going insane from it since it is the one and only greatest life for them. So this is the portrait that would express me. If I had the choice to either live eternally in such a life with them or to remain in this world, I would obviously choose to live with them. I also would never go bored or insane from living such an eternal blissful life since I also have immense full value towards such a life as well."

My guess is you are a repressed transsexual who turned anehedonic from testosterone. Maybe some hormone therapy could tame the anehedonic hulk lurking within. Though I must warn you too much estrogen can turn you into a giggle monster (I've experienced both hormonal extremes myself.) You can become anehedonic both ways. The human body really just rejects any kind of prolonged happiness. Humans are meant to toil, grow old, and die. The human DNA is a no-win.

hAPPY VID
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyRH72AQRRo

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