Does activism film music games and art do nothing?

[GreatandWiseTrixie]

George Orwell made a book called 1984. And yet, despite his warning, the book failed to stop what it predicted from coming to pass. Children are read popular books about how to act. And yet, they continue to become more and more mindless. Songs and cartoons teach us valuable lessons about life, and yet, people ignore these lessons, day in, day out, as if they don't exist.

The term slacktivism was coined with facebook activists who parrot mindless photographs in a supposed attempt for social equality. I have met some of these individuals, who partake in such noble things as enjoying animal cage fights, and treating their friends like dirt.

You have questions, I presume.

Here is your first question.
"Dear Trixie,

Hello, I am a meat-eater. I am wondering why have you not saved the world yet, if you are so great and powerful as you claim. I don't see you standing on street corners holding up signs saying "save the animals!""

"Dear meat-eater, I do not see how holding up a sign would be any more effective than what I have already tried in the past. You see I have talked to strangers, friends, relatives, family, in person, time and time again, about the virtues of giving up meat. I find talking in person to close friends to be a far more effective method that standing on a sign to complete strangers. And yet after years and years of this, the closeminded fools never listen, not ever. It is like arguing with the laws of physics."

"Dear Trixie, perhaps it is you who is at fault. You must upgrade your techniques. The fate of the world lies upon you, and you alone."

"Dear reader, if such a thing was the case, then the problem of meat-eating would have dissappeared long ago, since some other vegan would have already solved the problem with their "superior" ability."

"Then it is their fault too. Vegans are lazy people."

"Dear reader, I'd have to agree. Vegans are very lazy and self-centered people. But they get that way after years and years of continuous efforts are met with very little if not no effect. They also become ashamed of themselves and deluded by outsiders to believe they are in the clear

"Then try harder! I am going to eat that big juicy steak now. This is all your fault *nom*nom*"

"What would you have me do? It seems to be the only possible way to get humans to stop eating meat is to kill every single man, woman and child. I couldn't even do that if I wanted to. Additionally, that would allow evolution to create a new race of species that would do similar things. Therefore I propose a better final and ultimate solution."

"What is that?"

"Destroy the universes, and us along with it."

~Trixie, Sage of

[Arising_uk]

You're an omnivore, eating meat is part of your make-up.

Maybe you should just try for ethical treatment of animals during husbandry but if you really want to sway people then you need to find some way to make them care for each other first and given your solution it appears that this is unlikely to happen as in your solutions you are as ape-like as all.
p.s.
Oh! I forgot, so no, film, music, games and art pretty much do nothing, unless of course you can get it to the seven-year olds and keep it up. In fact much like Plato proposed and Hitler, Stalin, Mao et al did.

[GreatandWiseTrixie]

You're an omnivore, eating meat is part of your make-up.

Maybe you should just try for ethical treatment of animals during husbandry but if you really want to sway people then you need to find some way to make them care for each other first and given your solution it appears that this is unlikely to happen as in your solutions you are as ape-like as all.
p.s.
Oh! I forgot, so no, film, music, games and art pretty much do nothing, unless of course you can get it to the seven-year olds and keep it up. In fact much like Plato proposed and Hitler, Stalin, Mao et al did.

People caring for each other? Like that's ever gonna happen. The only reason Mr H came in power, is because he cheated. Humans are evil by default, they only rally to hate minorities. You can't rally them to do anything positive, it's just not possible, unless it directly benefits them.

[Arising_uk]

People caring for each other? Like that's ever gonna happen.

Then stop carping on about the other animals as until life is better for the human the other animals lives are forfeit. You are a good example of what you decry with your faux love for the other animals and none for this one.

The only reason Mr H came in power, is because he cheated.

Much more complicated than that. And ironically enough if you read enough of the old German philosophers you can get a glimpse of why philosophy partly assisted in his rise.

Humans are evil by default, ...

No they're not, nor are they 'good' by default.

they only rally to hate minorities.

And yet I've been with groups who have rallied to defend such things?

You can't rally them to do anything positive, it's just not possible, unless it directly benefits them.

But what directly benefits them does not necessarily need to be negative? You are a defeatist who I suspect has never actually involved themselves in real world actions but just carps from the sidelines. Could be wrong tho'.

[GreatandWiseTrixie]

People caring for each other? Like that's ever gonna happen.

Then stop carping on about the other animals as until life is better for the human the other animals lives are forfeit. You are a good example of what you decry with your faux love for the other animals and none for this one.

The only reason Mr H came in power, is because he cheated.

Much more complicated than that. And ironically enough if you read enough of the old German philosophers you can get a glimpse of why philosophy partly assisted in his rise.

Humans are evil by default, ...

No they're not, nor are they 'good' by default.

they only rally to hate minorities.

And yet I've been with groups who have rallied to defend such things?

You can't rally them to do anything positive, it's just not possible, unless it directly benefits them.

But what directly benefits them does not necessarily need to be negative? You are a defeatist who I suspect has never actually involved themselves in real world actions but just carps from the sidelines. Could be wrong tho'.

Bullshit I've tried to get rallies going and noone participates. Why do you think I came to these conclusions? Through scientific experimentation of course. That is why I know if Hitler was a geniune good person, and tried to rally the people for good, he would never have ever been able to get so big a crowd. So I consider his accomplishments "cheating", taking the easy road, so to speak. Humans are evil by default.

I believe the only one who has faux love for animals is you. If you really cared about the humans you would want justice for the animals, not sympathizing with the evil humans.

Either way, you wanna help humans, you wanna help animals? Fat chance either way, theyve had their paths chosen for them. You ain't gonna have any luck.

[Blaggard]

Hitler was a genuinely good person. Really, when your bank was stocked up with all sorts of delightful crap you came up with Hitler was good otherwise x.

Well this threads over.

You're not making any sense.

[GreatandWiseTrixie]

Hitler was a genuinely good person. Really, when your bank was stocked up with all sorts of delightful crap you came up with Hitler was good otherwise x.

Well this threads over.

You're not making any sense.

Seems like reading comprehension isn't too good these days. Never said he was a good person. I recommend not reading philosophy boards drunk or on drugs.

And that's nice.

[Blaggard]

I read what you said and ironically I came to the conclusion that you used Hitler to fill in a gap between reason and the next large amount of drugs you presumably may or may not imbibe to make such dim arguments.

Hitler was good otherwise x is an appallingly bad argument, that presumably.

I am not saying you said Hitler was good, just the mention of Hitler in that argument was so pointless I think somewhere in the universe, creating a cavernous wave off nonsense, reason hence died.


Hitler was good otherwise x. Reading comprehension, well...

[GreatandWiseTrixie]

I read what you said and ironically I came to the conclusion that you used Hitler to fill in a gap between reason and the next large amount of drugs you presumably may or may not imbibe to make such dim arguments.

Dude, I said "I know if Hitler was a geniune good person and tried to rally the people for good, he would never have ever been able to get so big a crowd." and then you made a post saying I said Hitler was a good person.

Dude, you've lost your talking privileges, now go away.

[Blaggard]

I've done what?

No really?

You are actually trying to tell me I can no longer post because you posted such a facile and worthless argument about Hitler, you now instead of addressing that point, see fit to ban from the world.

I rest my case. Nothing to see here.

Hitler was good otherwise x. Do you understand what that means, it means you did not try to say Hitler was good but you did make a non seuitur where by if he wasn't hence x. Let's start with basic logic and move on eh?

[GreatandWiseTrixie]

I read what you said and ironically I came to the conclusion that you used Hitler to fill in a gap between reason and the next large amount of drugs you presumably may or may not imbibe to make such dim arguments.

Hitler was good otherwise x is an appallingly bad argument, that presumably.

I am not saying you said Hitler was good, just the mention of Hitler in that argument was so pointless I think somewhere in the universe, creating a cavernous wave off nonsense, reason hence died.


Hitler was good otherwise x. Reading comprehension, well...

No dude, that's bad logic, plain and simple. Backtracking and bullshit. Dude I said "if he was good" that implies he was not good. "if he tried to rally the people for good" that implies he was not good, and rallied the people for bad. Now go away please. This is mindnumbing.

[Blaggard]

Is English your first language? Let's start there?

[GreatandWiseTrixie]

Is English your first language? Let's start there?

Yes it is and it's the language of logic I suspect you need to brush up on.

[Blaggard]

Is English your first language? Let's start there?

Yes it is and it's the language of logic I suspect you need to brush up on.

did you understand hitler is a or x.

It means you were not claiming Hitler was a but something else hence was true due to Hitler being a.

Is that clear now?

[GreatandWiseTrixie]

Is English your first language? Let's start there?

Yes it is and it's the language of logic I suspect you need to brush up on.

did you understand hitler is a or x.

It means you were not claiming Hitler was a but something else hence was true due to Hitler being a.

Is that clear now?

Not at all, and what you said earlier still makes no sense, never will.

Actually I unfortunately am beginning to sense your logic it's quite poor. I never said Hitler "was" anything, was being present, past or future tense. I used and "if" hypothetical, alternative tense, implying a false "being" that never existed. Futhermore I based the logic on an outcome, the opposite outcome of what occured in reality, making even further that the state of being implied by you was completely and totally the opposite of what you're saying.