A NEW PROOF OF GOD

Is there a God? If so, what is She like?

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John J. Bannan
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Re: A NEW PROOF OF GOD

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@uwot

I've improved it:

A DOUBLE DICHOTOMY PROOF OF GOD

1) A metaphysical dichotomy between the set of all possible states of existence and no states of existence proves that the set of all possible states of existence happens to be the case metaphysically, because our universe is real.
2) A metaphysical dichotomy between the set of all possible states of existence that can become real and the set of all possible states of existence that cannot become real proves that the set of all possible states of existence that can become real happens to be the case metaphysically, because our universe is real.
3) Because the set of all possible states of existence that can become real is not ordered metaphysically, and because it is metaphysically possible to pick and choose the order in which any or all of those possible states of existence come into reality, then there must be a real eternal constraint that chooses to allow any or all of these possible states of existence to become real because said constraint is also a metaphysical possible state of existence that can become real and so said constraint must become real.
4) Because the actualization of any or all possible metaphysical states of existence that can become real requires the constraint to actualize them, then the constraint cannot be made.
5) Said constraint must have power over all states of existence the can become real being omnipotent and omnipresent.
6) Said constraint must have knowledge of all states of existence that can become real being omniscient.
7) Because the mind of the constraint is omnipresent and hence within all of us, our minds are contained within the mind of the constraint which calls all of us to be Sons of the constraint.
8) Hence, a single being exists who is eternal, omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent and is not made.
jackles
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Re: A NEW PROOF OF GOD

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God is nonlocality as conscience. So locality is illusion in consciousness.
cirin
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Re: A NEW PROOF OF GOD

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Religious knowledge and science are not able to explain to the modern civilization the understanding of life. The proposed concept of modern harmonious worldview is summarized in this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDidxZu ... freload=10
The offered world view is expounded in the book "The Modern Understanding of Life... Elementary Introduction". There, simply and briefly, without fictions and religious philosophical fantasies, the concept of the new world outlook is being offered with documented proofs of its streamlined and logical system of views. Explanations and determinations of Spirit, Soul, Mind, Body, and the constituents of the human ‘I’, as typically used in sciences, religions and everyday life. Their location is presented on the schematic picture of humans and how they co-operate inter se. Discussed are unusual human abilities in telepathy, vision with closed eyes, hypnosis, foresight (precognition), the ability of magicians and yogins to get out of their physical bodies and move in space. It provides answers for genesis of all known paranormal phenomena, origins of human illnesses, and how an ordinary old woman can bewitch a man, cause illness, and see through walls. It has no fiction. It is based on scientific facts in tune with the theory of physical vacuum and reflects a new world view, changing Darwin's outdated theory. 
Greylorn Ell
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Re: A NEW PROOF OF GOD

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cirin wrote:Religious knowledge and science are not able to explain to the modern civilization the understanding of life. The proposed concept of modern harmonious worldview is summarized in this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDidxZu ... freload=10
The offered world view is expounded in the book "The Modern Understanding of Life... Elementary Introduction". There, simply and briefly, without fictions and religious philosophical fantasies, the concept of the new world outlook is being offered with documented proofs of its streamlined and logical system of views. Explanations and determinations of Spirit, Soul, Mind, Body, and the constituents of the human ‘I’, as typically used in sciences, religions and everyday life. Their location is presented on the schematic picture of humans and how they co-operate inter se. Discussed are unusual human abilities in telepathy, vision with closed eyes, hypnosis, foresight (precognition), the ability of magicians and yogins to get out of their physical bodies and move in space. It provides answers for genesis of all known paranormal phenomena, origins of human illnesses, and how an ordinary old woman can bewitch a man, cause illness, and see through walls. It has no fiction. It is based on scientific facts in tune with the theory of physical vacuum and reflects a new world view, changing Darwin's outdated theory. 
Cirin,

Thanks for my daily dose of religious claptrap. While it is true that science has not figured out the beginnings of things, and both Big Bang theory and Darwinism are absurd beliefs devoid of scientific basis, I find it unlikely that an expensive promo piece beginning with bible quotes while numbnuts beats on drums by way of annoying background music, then finishing with some hippie trying to look like the classical Caucasian "Jesus," is going to lead to useful insights anywhere down that road.

I don't know if there are 23 different models for the origin of things. If so, you need to read the 24th. Digital Universe -- Analog Soul. No fancy promos, no crappy background music, no actors. Lots of logic, physics, and science in general. No cartoon diagrams of mind-soul-body. Just an annoying book that offers unique ideas about human consciousness and the beginnings of the universe, including intelligent purpose.

Thanks for the opportunity to get in a free plug for my book at your expense.

Greylorn
Greylorn Ell
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Re: A NEW PROOF OF GOD

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John J. Bannan wrote:@uwot

I've improved it:

A DOUBLE DICHOTOMY PROOF OF GOD

1) A metaphysical dichotomy between the set of all possible states of existence and no states of existence proves that the set of all possible states of existence happens to be the case metaphysically, because our universe is real.
2) A metaphysical dichotomy between the set of all possible states of existence that can become real and the set of all possible states of existence that cannot become real proves that the set of all possible states of existence that can become real happens to be the case metaphysically, because our universe is real.
3) Because the set of all possible states of existence that can become real is not ordered metaphysically, and because it is metaphysically possible to pick and choose the order in which any or all of those possible states of existence come into reality, then there must be a real eternal constraint that chooses to allow any or all of these possible states of existence to become real because said constraint is also a metaphysical possible state of existence that can become real and so said constraint must become real.
4) Because the actualization of any or all possible metaphysical states of existence that can become real requires the constraint to actualize them, then the constraint cannot be made.
5) Said constraint must have power over all states of existence the can become real being omnipotent and omnipresent.
6) Said constraint must have knowledge of all states of existence that can become real being omniscient.
7) Because the mind of the constraint is omnipresent and hence within all of us, our minds are contained within the mind of the constraint which calls all of us to be Sons of the constraint.
8) Hence, a single being exists who is eternal, omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent and is not made.
Bannan,

Next time, consider taking your daily enema before you write. It may help. Or not.

Greylorn
thedoc
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Re: A NEW PROOF OF GOD

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Greylorn Ell wrote:
John J. Bannan wrote:@uwot

I've improved it:

A DOUBLE DICHOTOMY PROOF OF GOD

1) A metaphysical dichotomy between the set of all possible states of existence and no states of existence proves that the set of all possible states of existence happens to be the case metaphysically, because our universe is real.
2) A metaphysical dichotomy between the set of all possible states of existence that can become real and the set of all possible states of existence that cannot become real proves that the set of all possible states of existence that can become real happens to be the case metaphysically, because our universe is real.
3) Because the set of all possible states of existence that can become real is not ordered metaphysically, and because it is metaphysically possible to pick and choose the order in which any or all of those possible states of existence come into reality, then there must be a real eternal constraint that chooses to allow any or all of these possible states of existence to become real because said constraint is also a metaphysical possible state of existence that can become real and so said constraint must become real.
4) Because the actualization of any or all possible metaphysical states of existence that can become real requires the constraint to actualize them, then the constraint cannot be made.
5) Said constraint must have power over all states of existence the can become real being omnipotent and omnipresent.
6) Said constraint must have knowledge of all states of existence that can become real being omniscient.
7) Because the mind of the constraint is omnipresent and hence within all of us, our minds are contained within the mind of the constraint which calls all of us to be Sons of the constraint.
8) Hence, a single being exists who is eternal, omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent and is not made.
Bannan,

Next time, consider taking your daily enema before you write. It may help. Or not.

Greylorn
? Isn't that what he just did?
Greylorn Ell
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Re: A NEW PROOF OF GOD

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thedoc wrote:
Greylorn Ell wrote:
John J. Bannan wrote:@uwot

I've improved it:

A DOUBLE DICHOTOMY PROOF OF GOD

1) A metaphysical dichotomy between the set of all possible states of existence and no states of existence proves that the set of all possible states of existence happens to be the case metaphysically, because our universe is real.
2) A metaphysical dichotomy between the set of all possible states of existence that can become real and the set of all possible states of existence that cannot become real proves that the set of all possible states of existence that can become real happens to be the case metaphysically, because our universe is real.
3) Because the set of all possible states of existence that can become real is not ordered metaphysically, and because it is metaphysically possible to pick and choose the order in which any or all of those possible states of existence come into reality, then there must be a real eternal constraint that chooses to allow any or all of these possible states of existence to become real because said constraint is also a metaphysical possible state of existence that can become real and so said constraint must become real.
4) Because the actualization of any or all possible metaphysical states of existence that can become real requires the constraint to actualize them, then the constraint cannot be made.
5) Said constraint must have power over all states of existence the can become real being omnipotent and omnipresent.
6) Said constraint must have knowledge of all states of existence that can become real being omniscient.
7) Because the mind of the constraint is omnipresent and hence within all of us, our minds are contained within the mind of the constraint which calls all of us to be Sons of the constraint.
8) Hence, a single being exists who is eternal, omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent and is not made.
Bannan,

Next time, consider taking your daily enema before you write. It may help. Or not.

Greylorn
? Isn't that what he just did?
Doc,
You're having a right-on night! :D
G
cirin
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Re: A NEW PROOF OF GOD

Post by cirin »

Greylorn Ell wrote:
cirin wrote:Religious knowledge and science are not able to explain to the modern civilization the understanding of life. The proposed concept of modern harmonious worldview is summarized in this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDidxZu ... freload=10
The offered world view is expounded in the book "The Modern Understanding of Life... Elementary Introduction". There, simply and briefly, without fictions and religious philosophical fantasies, the concept of the new world outlook is being offered with documented proofs of its streamlined and logical system of views. Explanations and determinations of Spirit, Soul, Mind, Body, and the constituents of the human ‘I’, as typically used in sciences, religions and everyday life. Their location is presented on the schematic picture of humans and how they co-operate inter se. Discussed are unusual human abilities in telepathy, vision with closed eyes, hypnosis, foresight (precognition), the ability of magicians and yogins to get out of their physical bodies and move in space. It provides answers for genesis of all known paranormal phenomena, origins of human illnesses, and how an ordinary old woman can bewitch a man, cause illness, and see through walls. It has no fiction. It is based on scientific facts in tune with the theory of physical vacuum and reflects a new world view, changing Darwin's outdated theory. 
Cirin,



Thanks for my daily dose of religious claptrap. While it is true that science has not figured out the beginnings of things, and both Big Bang theory and Darwinism are absurd beliefs devoid of scientific basis, I find it unlikely that an expensive promo piece beginning with bible quotes while numbnuts beats on drums by way of annoying background music, then finishing with some hippie trying to look like the classical Caucasian "Jesus," is going to lead to useful insights anywhere down that road.

I don't know if there are 23 different models for the origin of things. If so, you need to read the 24th. Digital Universe -- Analog Soul. No fancy promos, no crappy background music, no actors. Lots of logic, physics, and science in general. No cartoon diagrams of mind-soul-body. Just an annoying book that offers unique ideas about human consciousness and the beginnings of the universe, including intelligent purpose.

Thanks for the opportunity to get in a free plug for my book at your expense.

Greylorn
That can help you to understand new knowledge? Not all are able to understand them. It is a problem of your mind. There is such quality of character of man - obstinacy or resistance to new knowledge.
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