Charlie Hebdo

[HexHammer]

bad freedom of speech

Whether freedom of speech is good or bad is neither here nor there as such notions are entirely subjective. What is not though is the
principle that in a free society everyone should have the same degree of freedom when it comes to self expression. This freedom also
extends to speech which is illegal. And the reason for that is because laws are restrictions which would not exist if they were not going
to be broken. So by virtue of existing in the first place they will be breached. And so in a free society [ indeed any society ] one still has
the freedom to break the law if one so chooses. The only difference being that if they do then they shall have to suffer the consequences

So people should also have the freedom of breaking the law of murder? ..we shouldn't pity you when someone kills ur stupid ass?

[HexHammer]

The point about free speech is that people express themselves in the way they find best.
You can say more about a situation with a simple image and caption than a thousand wise words.
Comedy is not improper.

You can indeed at times parrot things on a high lvl, just like Blagg, but when it comes to basic thinking you falls flat like any other.

Denmark has outlawed insults against the prophet, since we had our embassy's destroyed in the middle east and lost significant export loss due to those drawings, we learned our lesson.
Apparently these cartoonists has learned nothing, and when you knowingly insult people who in turn wants to kill you for insulting their prophet, then one isn't particular bright.

[surreptitious57]

So people should also have the freedom of breaking the law of murder

So do you think that there are no murders just because it is against the law
But if that were true then there would be no need for a law in the first place
A law may not stop some one from breaking it but it can punish them if they do
Most of the time laws act as deterrents but most of the time is not all of the time
No society is completely law abiding since no human being is completely law abiding

[HexHammer]

So people should also have the freedom of breaking the law of murder

So do you think that there are no murders just because it is against the law
But if that were true then there would be no need for a law in the first place
A law may not stop some one from breaking it but it can punish them if they do
Most of the time laws act as deterrents but most of the time is not all of the time
No society is completely law abiding since no human being is completely law abiding

What you say is absurdly stupid and is that of a small child or a complete retard.

in a free society [ indeed any society ] one still has the freedom to break the law if one so chooses.

No one has the freedom of breaking any law, that is complete nonsense and babble.

This is a philosophy site, you know "love of wisdom" that you do is love of complete retardants.

[duszek]

The word "freedom" can have different meanings and can be used in different senses.

I am free to break a law.
= I am able to break a law.

I am free to speak my mind in this country.
= I am allowed by the laws of this country to express my mind.

So in a country like US for instance, we have freedom of speech but no freedom of murder or homicide.
But we are able to do both if we absolutely want to do it.

Best (of)
do sheck

P.S. Don´t worry about weird insults.

[Melchior]

Is the law always right? Just because it's the law, doesn't always mean we should follow it...

What do you think I have said that compels you to say such a thing?

...you would have been an excellent nazi, it's just the law to put people in the gas chambers.

Bit harsh, HexHammer. You don't appear to appreciate that I am exercising my hard won democratic right to challenge what the elected leader of a sovereign state has argued. As it happens, there are legal restrictions on what you can say publicly in the UK, but Mr Cameron thinks we have a right to cause offence that should be protected. Since this is a 'right' you chose to exercise, is your position that people should only do it anonymously, since doing so openly exposes them to the risk of violence?

Exactly where do I say we should do it anonymously?

What I've been saying that they had it coming, if you spit some man in the face and his entire family too, without any reason, or just because his neighbor are terrorists, then you should expect eventually to get u'r ass kicked.

What I'm really saying, is just keep u'r mouth shut, don't go insult people with sweeping statements, with those drawings you hit ALL Muslims, not only the radical and extremists.

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No sane person can excuse what happened to the staff at Charlie Hebdo, but without airbrushing that, who would defend the right to publish racist or sexist jokes?

It's very easy to defend, when you invade Iraq in a highly illegal war, then you piss people off, when you bomb left and right indiscriminately and kill 40k - 400k then you piss people even more, when you then humiliate them with Abu Gharib and Guantanamo then they get furious and swear revenge, those cartoonists wasn't the brightest of people, when they piss off people who are already in the first place filled with hatred and rage against the westerners.

All Muslims, every single last one of them, need to be killed, so that there remains not a trace of this cock-sucking, mother-fucking religion on the face of the earth.

[uwot]

Mr Cameron thinks we have a right to cause offence that should be protected. Since this is a 'right' you chose to exercise, is your position that people should only do it anonymously, since doing so openly exposes them to the risk of violence?

Exactly where do I say we should do it anonymously?

The fact is you do it anonymously. There are some people who visit this forum who I imagine would react with violence if you were to repeatedly call them retards; there are some lunatics who can be seen cutting the heads off people who have done much less. .
Would you expect to "get u'r ass kicked" if you were to talk as you do face to face?

All Muslims, every single last one of them, need to be killed...

Melchior, you are mental. Would you kick HexHammer's arse if the opportunity arose?

[HexHammer]

Exactly where do I say we should do it anonymously?

The fact is you do it anonymously. There are some people who visit this forum who I imagine would react with violence if you were to repeatedly call them retards; there are some lunatics who can be seen cutting the heads off people who have done much less. .
Would you expect to "get u'r ass kicked" if you were to talk as you do face to face?

This is jumping to silly conclusions, stop making up such things.

[uwot]

Would you expect to "get u'r ass kicked" if you were to talk as you do face to face?

This is jumping to silly conclusions, stop making up such things.

So do you think it is only Muslims who respond to insults with violence?

[HexHammer]

Would you expect to "get u'r ass kicked" if you were to talk as you do face to face?

This is jumping to silly conclusions, stop making up such things.

So do you think it is only Muslims who respond to insults with violence?

No? ..why would I do that, if I had that belief it would suggest I knew nothing of psychology, it's usually something that is learned, here in Denmark our Vikings acted quite psychotic in battle.

[uwot]

So do you think it is only Muslims who respond to insults with violence?

No? ..why would I do that, if I had that belief it would suggest I knew nothing of psychology, it's usually something that is learned, here in Denmark our Vikings acted quite psychotic in battle.

Well, as I understand it, the reason you think people should not insult Islam, is that they might be met with violence. You go so far as to say:

What I've been saying that they had it coming, if you spit some man in the face and his entire family too, without any reason, or just because his neighbor are terrorists, then you should expect eventually to get u'r ass kicked.

Which implies that you think people who insult others deserve the violence they experience. Given that you routinely insult people, you presumably would expect to have some "kick u'r arse". This gives rise to 3, maybe more, possibilities, either: 1. You enjoy having u'r arse kicked and speak to people face to face in the same manner as you do on this forum. Or: 2. You don't like having u'r arse kicked and, publicly at least, speak to people in a manner that you believe will not result in you getting u'r arse kicked. The third possibility is that you think it is only Muslims who react to insults with violence.

[HexHammer]

What I've been saying that they had it coming, if you spit some man in the face and his entire family too, without any reason, or just because his neighbor are terrorists, then you should expect eventually to get u'r ass kicked.

Which implies that you think people who insult others deserve the violence they experience. Given that you routinely insult people, you presumably would expect to have some "kick u'r arse". This gives rise to 3, maybe more, possibilities, either: 1. You enjoy having u'r arse kicked and speak to people face to face in the same manner as you do on this forum. Or: 2. You don't like having u'r arse kicked and, publicly at least, speak to people in a manner that you believe will not result in you getting u'r arse kicked. The third possibility is that you think it is only Muslims who react to insults with violence.

No, there are many more aspects that you don't see, why you arrive at this over simplified conclusion.

Please just stop it, I don't wanna waste more time spelling very simple things out for you, and always you.

[Melchior]

Mr Cameron thinks we have a right to cause offence that should be protected. Since this is a 'right' you chose to exercise, is your position that people should only do it anonymously, since doing so openly exposes them to the risk of violence?

Exactly where do I say we should do it anonymously?

The fact is you do it anonymously. There are some people who visit this forum who I imagine would react with violence if you were to repeatedly call them retards; there are some lunatics who can be seen cutting the heads off people who have done much less. .
Would you expect to "get u'r ass kicked" if you were to talk as you do face to face?

All Muslims, every single last one of them, need to be killed...

Melchior, you are mental. Would you kick HexHammer's arse if the opportunity arose?

Who is that?

[HexHammer]

All Muslims, every single last one of them, need to be killed...

Melchior, you are mental. Would you kick HexHammer's arse if the opportunity arose?

Who is that?[/quote]What have I to do with anything?!?