BLAME

[Kayla]

Kayla: ... but the burden cannot be entirely on the police here
Mick: Which burden are you thinking of?
Kayla: ... the burden on no waving around a bb gun that looks like a real gun

Kayla, that's clearly not what you meant by the burden on the police. If you cannot engage with me honestly, why are you even here?

that is precisely what i meant

the police has minimal control over whether or not people wave weapons in public

it is up to the members of the public to not wave weapons around - that is their burden to bear

[mickthinks]

The police have no control over whether or not people wave weapons in public, Kayla. So when you said "the burden cannot be entirely on the police here", by "not entirely" you meant "not at all"? I think you know that isn't what "not entirely" means, and I think you are still trying to lie your way out of the hole you've dug for yourself with your sloppy thinking.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

Kayla: ... but the burden cannot be entirely on the police here
Mick: Which burden are you thinking of?
Kayla: ... the burden on no waving around a bb gun that looks like a real gun

Kayla, that's clearly not what you meant by the burden on the police. If you cannot engage with me honestly, why are you even here?

that is precisely what i meant

the police has minimal control over whether or not people wave weapons in public

it is up to the members of the public to not wave weapons around - that is their burden to bear

So it makes no difference to you whether it's a five year old or a twenty five year old? What a sick way of thinking.

[Kayla]

The police have no control over whether or not people wave weapons in public, Kayla. So when you said "the burden cannot be entirely on the police here", by "not entirely" you meant "not at all"? I think you know that isn't what "not entirely" means, and I think you are still trying to lie your way out of the hole you've dug for yourself with your sloppy thinking.

this paragraph makes no sense

please rewrite

[Kayla]

So it makes no difference to you whether it's a five year old or a twenty five year old? What a sick way of thinking.

when did i say that?

[Kayla]

part of the problem here is that police are frequently dicks

while leftists who protest police brutality are frequently idiots - who expect the police to have psychic powers that enable them to tell whether what looks like a real gun is a real gun or a toy or a bb gun

this just reenforces the belief popular among the police that they should continue to be dicks

[vegetariantaxidermy]

part of the problem here is that police are frequently dicks

while leftists who protest police brutality are frequently idiots - who expect the police to have psychic powers that enable them to tell whether what looks like a real gun is a real gun or a toy or a bb gun

this just reenforces the belief popular among the police that they should continue to be dicks

What the fuck is a 'leftist'??

[mickthinks]

... who expect the police to have psychic powers that enable them to tell whether what looks like a real gun is a real gun or a toy or a bb gun

This is how, without psychic powers, the police can deal with such a situation when they care enough to try to preserve lives rather than terminate them—Man with fake gun disrupts Dutch broadcaster NOS.

The man, smartly dressed and carrying what appeared to be a long pistol, paced around a studio, reportedly demanding airtime. Armed police then stormed into the studio and overpowered him. [emphasis mine]

I don't think American gun wielding children are so much harder to overpower than Dutch adults. Do you?

The point I am making and you are refusing to acknowledge, is that too often police officers in the US shoot and kill unnecessarily, and that's mostly when the people they are dealing with are young and black. There is no excuse for that, and your attempt to provide them with a justification seems to me to be based on your ignorance of the facts. A wilful ignorance which you have then defended with manifestly dishonest obfuscation.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

So it makes no difference to you whether it's a five year old or a twenty five year old? What a sick way of thinking.

when did i say that?

The boy was twelve, and you obviously think he deserved it, so where do you draw the line? What if he had been eight, or six?

[SpheresOfBalance]

... who expect the police to have psychic powers that enable them to tell whether what looks like a real gun is a real gun or a toy or a bb gun

This is how, without psychic powers, the police can deal with such a situation when they care enough to try to preserve lives rather than terminate them—Man with fake gun disrupts Dutch broadcaster NOS.
To be fair Mick, especially since you think, the Dutchman immediately dropped his weapon when told to do so, whether fake or not. In the US situations, the blacks in almost every situation, refused to drop the weapon, whether fake or not. While I'm not necessarily justifying anything, some blacks here in the US have a stubborn disposition with respect to making a point against Johnny Law, the old, "screw 'the man'," attitude. They believe themselves entitled because their, great, great, great grandparents were actually slaves in the cotton fields of the south. The way I see it no one's an 'actual' slave today, though I do agree that there are ever varying degrees of "some sort" of slavery, even today, and it's actually everywhere, knows no distinct boundries, and has everything to do with money. Which is what it was always really about, in one way or another. I'm not saying some blacks haven't had it really tough, just that it's not very smart to keep holding a gun, no matter what type, with many paranoid policeman holding guns on you, just waiting for their finger to twitch from the fear, related to their fear of death, while trying to perform a job with less than average education.

Many years ago they had a show on TV, only once. It was about IQ, and was a test to see which group had the highest. Believe it or not the actors beat out the doctors, and professors/school teachers, on the high end of the spectrum. While the garbage collectors beat out the policeman, the lowest group in the competition. Of course I don't know how much has changed by now. But if you want to see how stupid some cops in the US are, checkout the true story surrounding the capture/killing of those two guys responsible for the Boston Marathon bombing, a couple years back. In one operation the cops were not only shooting at one another, but actually shooting one another, I can't remember if anyone was actually killed during the fiasco.

The man, smartly dressed and carrying what appeared to be a long pistol, paced around a studio, reportedly demanding airtime. Armed police then stormed into the studio and overpowered him. [emphasis mine]

I don't think American gun wielding children are so much harder to overpower than Dutch adults. Do you?

The point I am making and you are refusing to acknowledge, is that too often police officers in the US shoot and kill unnecessarily, and that's mostly when the people they are dealing with are young and black. There is no excuse for that, and your attempt to provide them with a justification seems to me to be based on your ignorance of the facts. A wilful ignorance which you have then defended with manifestly dishonest obfuscation.

[mickthinks]

In the US situations, the blacks in almost every situation, refused to drop the weapon, whether fake or not.

This is a convenient myth to believe in if you harbour a racist attitude that justifies police violence against black people, SoB.

Can you cite any cases of black people with fake or BB guns failing to drop them immediately when ordered by armed police and given the chance to do so? And note that in the case of Tamir Rice, the police opened fire immediately on arrival. The boy was given no chance to comply with any such order.

[SpheresOfBalance]

In the US situations, the blacks in almost every situation, refused to drop the weapon, whether fake or not.

This is a convenient myth to believe in if you harbour a racist attitude that justifies police violence against black people, SoB.
Don't project your racist attitude upon me.


Can you cite any cases of black people with fake or BB guns failing to drop them immediately when ordered by armed police and given the chance to do so? And note that in the case of Tamir Rice, the police opened fire immediately on arrival. The boy was given no chance to comply with any such order.

All of them. And don't even try with the Tamir Rice case, the video was far to pixilated and blurry to make out anything of any real consequence. Though I'm not saying there aren't some extremely twitchy cops.

Don't place me on the wrong side of the argument, just for the sake of yours.

Did you read the entirety of what I said above? I mean, which side of the argument does it sound like I'm on? Don't judge, 'just' because I questioned your argument! I just believe you missed an important distinction.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

In the US situations, the blacks in almost every situation, refused to drop the weapon, whether fake or not.

This is a convenient myth to believe in if you harbour a racist attitude that justifies police violence against black people, SoB.
Don't project your racist attitude upon me.


Can you cite any cases of black people with fake or BB guns failing to drop them immediately when ordered by armed police and given the chance to do so? And note that in the case of Tamir Rice, the police opened fire immediately on arrival. The boy was given no chance to comply with any such order.

All of them. And don't even try with the Tamir Rice case, the video was far to pixilated and blurry to make out anything of any real consequence. Though I'm not saying there aren't some extremely twitchy cops.

Don't place me on the wrong side of the argument, just for the sake of yours.

Did you read the entirety of what I said above? I mean, which side of the argument does it sound like I'm on? Don't judge, 'just' because I questioned your argument! I just believe you missed an important distinction.

What difference does it make if the 'video was blurry'? How many crimes have actual video evidence?
You people are only confirming for me what the civilised world is well aware of: that your country is just a racist, fascist shit-hole, borderline Police State. Don't tell me you don't have a national mind-set. If the same thing happened here there would be hell to pay for the cop. The uproar would be enormous. Hmm, that's probably why it has never happened here.
You yanks don't seem to have any empathy for the fact that a CHILD died HORRIBLY! Over there it's all about 'black versus white'. The white people 'care' if it's a white child, the black people 'care' if it's a black child. No depth there at all.
Ask yourself this SOB; what if it had been one of your children or grandchildren?

[SpheresOfBalance]

In the US situations, the blacks in almost every situation, refused to drop the weapon, whether fake or not.

This is a convenient myth to believe in if you harbour a racist attitude that justifies police violence against black people, SoB.
Don't project your racist attitude upon me.


Can you cite any cases of black people with fake or BB guns failing to drop them immediately when ordered by armed police and given the chance to do so? And note that in the case of Tamir Rice, the police opened fire immediately on arrival. The boy was given no chance to comply with any such order.

All of them. And don't even try with the Tamir Rice case, the video was far to pixilated and blurry to make out anything of any real consequence. Though I'm not saying there aren't some extremely twitchy cops.

Don't place me on the wrong side of the argument, just for the sake of yours.

Did you read the entirety of what I said above? I mean, which side of the argument does it sound like I'm on? Don't judge, 'just' because I questioned your argument! I just believe you missed an important distinction.

What difference does it make if the 'video was blurry'? How many crimes have actual video evidence?
You people are only confirming for me what the civilised world is well aware of: that your country is just a racist, fascist shit-hole, borderline Police State. Don't tell me you don't have a National mind-set. If the same thing happened here there would be hell to pay for the cop. The uproar would be enormous. Hmm, that's probably why it has never happened here.

You're starting to get on my nerves. And more and more you seem the ignorant fool. Do you know what one of the problems is in these cases? Evidence! Proof! In one of them, the cop said the kid grabbed for his gun, the cops gun. At the time I was on the side of the black kid. But if the kid "REALLY" did grab for the cops gun, then it's understandable that the kid got shot, crap, the gun could have gone off as a result of the grab attempt. The problem? We only got the cops word! He could be a fucking liar, for all we know. But if I'm a cop, and veggie tries a stunt like that, to grab my drawn cocked and ready weapon, I'll probably shoot me a veggie. WHY? Because that's a hell of a lot better than being shot by my own weapon. God knows what a veggie would do with a loaded gun in their hand, and many AMERICANS standing around. Of course they'd all end up dead, because the veggie is blinded by the hate, of some other instance of injustice and can't see straight. Blinded by the fury, the rage in the machine.

You're a pretty dumb person if you think for one second, that I side with unnecessary killing. Dumb Indeed! Pay attention veggie. And for the record, the truth is blind to any particular side in this argument. The truth only cares about what actually happens, in that moment, in those peoples eyes and minds, something unfortunately, none of us out here passing all these judgments will ever really know for sure.

And that's why video proof is so important: TO CATCH THE REAL PERP RED HANDED! That's how I knew which side to be on, in the case of Rodney King. And I was on his.

So fuck you and your anti-American charge, you're just an old demented hag! With cobwebs everywhere, especially in your minds eye. There's good and bad everywhere, even in your country. Why look at yourself, people guilty before innocent, just because of what continent they happen to be living on. Talk about prejudice, sheesh!

[vegetariantaxidermy]

So fuck you and your anti-American charge, you're just an old demented hag! With cobwebs everywhere, especially in your minds eye. There's good and bad everywhere, even in your country. Why look at yourself, people guilty before innocent, just because of what continent they happen to be living on. Talk about prejudice, sheesh!

I guess the truth hurts. You prove my point with every post. And the facts speak for themselves. You also need to do a bit of research on Timothy Loehmann.
(And you are a misogynist to boot).