The French Question

[vegetariantaxidermy]

But Hex's posts are false.
Yes, we can be racists. There are plenty of examples on the Forum.
We are free to break a contract of silence, if to do so would be to break the law, and we have a choice to sign.
And yes we can even call people child molesters. and they are free to claim damages.
So, Hex's post was babble.

You don't know what you are talking about, in Denmark we prohibit any such thing as insulting the prophet, because we've learned our lesson with the Muhammed drawings from Jyllands-Posten (newspaper) from 2005, that made a riot in many countries, even ambassadors was send to Denmark to talk it over with our prime minister, but they were refused which only made Muslims even angrier, even today we don't recommend danes to travel to certain countries.

Wig man you are too fixated on your own rules, instead of looking at the greater picture.

So you don't have Free Speech then? Where does it end? Any militant group only has to commit some atrocity to get its own way?

[Lev Muishkin]

Oliver Wendell Holmes:

"We admit that in many places and in ordinary times the defendants in saying all that was said in the circular would have been within their constitutional rights. But the character of every act depends upon the circumstances in which it is done. Aikens v. Wisconsin, 195 U.S. 194, 205, 206. The most stringent protection of free speech would not protect a man in falsely shouting fire in a theatre and causing a panic. It does not even protect a man from an injunction against uttering words that may have all the effect of force. Gompers v. Bucks Stove & Range Co., 221 U.S. 418, 439. The question in every case is whether the words used are used in such circumstances and are of such a nature as to create a clear and present danger that they will bring about the substantive evils that Congress has a right to prevent. It is a question of proximity and degree. When a nation is at war many things that might be said in time of peace are such a hindrance to its effort that their utterance will not be endured so long as men fight and that no Court could regard them as protected by any constitutional right."

The concern is with protecting the public rather than with punishing the speaker for his intent. You are missing Hex's point, which is that the prohibition on banning free speech is not absolute - lines are drawn. Wherever lines are drawn, we may question the placement of those lines. Obscenity, slander, fighting words, and commercial speech are not protected fully, for a variety of reasons. The same or similar reasons may support banning the speech in the Hedbo case.

Such laws exist in France . Hebdo did not transgress those laws.
You are missing the point.

[HexHammer]

So you don't have Free Speech then? Where does it end? Any militant group only has to commit some atrocity to get its own way?

No, you should know that most countries has very elaborate limits on "freedom of speech", get real.

[Lev Muishkin]

So you don't have Free Speech then? Where does it end? Any militant group only has to commit some atrocity to get its own way?

No, you should know that most countries has very elaborate limits on "freedom of speech", get real.

Only elaborate to a moron.
Most people are happy enough being able to say what they think. and few want the right to shout "FIRE" in a crowded cinema, or exhort people to murder.

If you want the real deal fuck off and look at Saudi Arabia.

[HexHammer]

Most people are happy enough being able to say what they think. and few want the right to shout "FIRE" in a crowded cinema, or exhort people to murder.

If you want the real deal fuck off and look at Saudi Arabia.

This is pure nonsense and babble, caught right in the middle of your lies, then you just pour out more lies!

[Lev Muishkin]

Most people are happy enough being able to say what they think. and few want the right to shout "FIRE" in a crowded cinema, or exhort people to murder.

If you want the real deal fuck off and look at Saudi Arabia.

This is pure nonsense and babble, caught right in the middle of your lies, then you just pour out more lies!

You are just making a fool of yourself.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

Most people are happy enough being able to say what they think. and few want the right to shout "FIRE" in a crowded cinema, or exhort people to murder.

If you want the real deal fuck off and look at Saudi Arabia.

This is pure nonsense and babble, caught right in the middle of your lies, then you just pour out more lies!

You say everything is 'nonsense and babble' you grouchy old fart. Have a valium.

[Lev Muishkin]

Most people are happy enough being able to say what they think. and few want the right to shout "FIRE" in a crowded cinema, or exhort people to murder.

If you want the real deal fuck off and look at Saudi Arabia.

This is pure nonsense and babble, caught right in the middle of your lies, then you just pour out more lies!

You say everything is 'nonsense and babble' you grouchy old fart. Have a valium.

I think it is his favourite phrase. He uses it most when he has nothing to say of any value, and to cover for his mistakes.

[Blaggard]

To be pedantic that is question.

I think it is his favourite phrase. He uses it most when he has nothing to say of any value, and to cover for his mistakes.[/quote]

Lead by example unless you are all Greek to me.

Some people just aren't hearing listening or at home to themselves.

Those who don't learn from history are doomed to eat at Macdonals or Moobie or Sysiphus.

If can sum up: don't go somewhere where you have no idea what you are talking about, unless you are brave. And willing to learn. I've been told all philosophers are useless, so many times now, that I am not even one any more. Maybe I and by which I mean I have something to learn..? Couldn't hurt? Could it?

[HexHammer]

Most people are happy enough being able to say what they think. and few want the right to shout "FIRE" in a crowded cinema, or exhort people to murder.

If you want the real deal fuck off and look at Saudi Arabia.

This is pure nonsense and babble, caught right in the middle of your lies, then you just pour out more lies!

You say everything is 'nonsense and babble' you grouchy old fart. Have a valium.

If you was superior at critical thinking you would indeed see that most of what people pour out here is pure nonsense and babble.

Critical thinking as in doing all your legal processes youself in court, without any education.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

If you was superior at critical thinking you would indeed see that most of what people pour out here is pure nonsense and babble.

Critical thinking as in doing all your legal processes youself in court, without any education.

Not all of it though. I think lev talks sense much of the time.

[HexHammer]

If you was superior at critical thinking you would indeed see that most of what people pour out here is pure nonsense and babble.

Critical thinking as in doing all your legal processes youself in court, without any education.

Not all of it though. I think lev talks sense much of the time.

Just because he talks sense sometimes, doesn't necessarily mean he does so all the time. Those times I called him really bad things, was because he talked way below his usual lvl.

[spike]

The irony is that the jahadists who attacked Charlie Hebdo for its cartoon depictions of Islam are also cartoon characters, playing out their ninja selves.

[Lev Muishkin]

To be pedantic that is question.


Lead by example unless you are all Greek to me.

Some people just aren't hearing listening or at home to themselves.

Those who don't learn from history are doomed to eat at Macdonals or Moobie or Sysiphus.

If can sum up: don't go somewhere where you have no idea what you are talking about, unless you are brave. And willing to learn. I've been told all philosophers are useless, so many times now, that I am not even one any more. Maybe I and by which I mean I have something to learn..? Couldn't hurt? Could it?

I find it ironic that you accuse others of "babble", considering this latest outburst.
What you might want to consider, is a more careful refutation of what people are saying, rather than hit them with the stock phrase;"babble"?
If you really think that people are reaching into areas they know nothing of, then it would be easy enough to show that. Sadly you do not.
This just reflects badly on you.