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[vegetariantaxidermy]

not sure how saying that Brown was not 'just a kid' somehow is a justification of anything

It was a frigging observation! You shoot kids over there. WTF! I don't see any argument. Your police like to shoot unarmed black children. End of story. The twelve year old was undeniably a child, even if you think 18 is a man.

are you talking about the 12 year old with a toy gun with the red ring removed - so that it did not look like a toy gun any more

that one just sounds like evolution in action to me

Like I said, sick. And you have control over a child.

[Kayla]

Like I said, sick. And you have control over a child.

do you have some magical way to tell a toy gun from a real one

a lot of toys guns look real unless you look really close or they have at least some brightly colored parts

my daughter knows that a toy gun can be mistaken for a real one with all the consequences

[vegetariantaxidermy]

Like I said, sick. And you have control over a child.

do you have some magical way to tell a toy gun from a real one

a lot of toys guns look real unless you look really close or they have at least some brightly colored parts

my daughter knows that a toy gun can be mistaken for a real one with all the consequences

WTF? You live in a society that worships guns, apparently children have toy ones so realistic that mentally handicapped cops can't tell the difference, then you claim it's a case of natural selection doing its work when a twelve year old dies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jmAnRIIpv8

Not sure why I'm bothering. A society with that many sickos ain't going to change in a hurry. And yes, I do realise the boy was a whole TWELVE, which means he darn tootin' well shoulda known betta. He deserved to die for removing a 'red ring'. I mean, he obviously intended to commit suicide.

[Kayla]

]WTF? You live in a society that worships guns, apparently children have toy ones so realistic that mentally handicapped cops can't tell the difference, then you claim it's a case of natural selection doing its work when a twelve year old dies.

a lot of bb guns, airsoft guns - which was the case here - and even toy guns are deliberately made to look like the real thing

not sure how you expect anyone to immediately tell the difference if the safety ring is removed

i taught my daughter that toy guns can be mistaken for the real thing, that some people carry concealed firearms, and some are more trigger happy than others - and yes i wish that this was not necessary but whatever i think of it there are lots of people with guns here and some them are crazy - and any police officer will know this and respond accordingly

what do you think a police officer should do when what looks like a real gun is pointed at them

Not sure why I'm bothering. A society with that many sickos ain't going to change in a hurry. And yes, I do realise the boy was a whole TWELVE, which means he darn tootin' well shoulda known betta. He deserved to die for removing a 'red ring'. I mean, he obviously intended to commit suicide.

the failing may well have been the parents here - so perhaps my evolution comment was not appropriate

[vegetariantaxidermy]

http://www.vox.com/2014/12/3/7326243/ta ... radictions

You need to look into the Tamir Rice case a lot more closely. Poor fucking kid. He was also shot in the stomach, which is supposed to be one of the worst pains imaginable. Is your country populated entirely with psychopaths or what??? You give children realistic-looking guns to play with, then what the fuck do you expect them to do with them? And I'm not talking specifically about his case.

[Kayla]

You need to look into the Tamir Rice case a lot more closely. Poor fucking kid. He was also shot in the stomach, which is supposed to be one of the worst pains imaginable. Is your country populated entirely with psychopaths or what??? You give children realistic-looking guns to play with, then what the fuck do you expect them to do with them? And I'm not talking specifically about his case.

i have

was it outstanding police work - probably not

but you have not answered my question - what a police officer should do faced with someone pointing what looks like a real gun in their direction

[mickthinks]

... faced with someone pointing what looks like a real gun in their direction

But that isn't what happened, Kayla. Where are you getting your side of this sad story from?

[Kayla]

... faced with someone pointing what looks like a real gun in their direction

But that isn't what happened, Kayla. Where are you getting your side of this sad story from?

ok please enlighten me

[Kayla]

ok saying it was not outstanding police work may have been an understatement

it remains true that walking around waving a toy gun that cannot be easily told apart from a real one in an awful idea

let me try an analogy

lets say i do something retarded - like ride a motorcycle without a helmet after a mickey of vodka - and crack my skull on the pavement

i go to the hospital and get operated upon by most incompetent neurosurgeon in the country and die - where with a competent neurosurgeon i would most likely live

it would remain true that i started a sequence of events that is likely to lead to harm - that i did something seriously dumb that lead to my death



lets say that the events were exactly the same except that the gun were real (but unloaded). How about real (and loaded). would you treat it differently in that case?

[mickthinks]

It remains true that walking around waving a toy gun that cannot be easily told apart from a real one in an awful idea.

Not if you are white. And "It remains true ..." makes it sound like you are maintaining the point you were making before, Kayla. I thought the point you were making before was that it was reasonable for the police officers to shoot to kill because the child appeared to be threatening them.

[Kayla]

have you ever been shot with an airgun? those things are not toys

in any case why do you think it matters whether it was an airgun or a real gun

unless you think that the police have ability to tell them apart

[mickthinks]

... why do you think it matters whether it was an airgun or a real gun.

But I don't think it matters!* I think the police officers should have tried not to kill him either way and if he were white, I think he would still be alive even if the gun were real.

But you ducked clarifying your earlier point. Do you think it matters whether or not the child had the gun in his hand and pointed it at the police officers? Because you implied that that was at the heart of the issue of the police behaviour.


* Nor have I said anywhere that I think it matters. It would help us to communicate better if you could avoid putting other people's words into my mouth, Kayla. Please?

[SpheresOfBalance]

He was just a kid.

he was not a kid

he was over 6 feet tall and just robbed a convinience store

thats not a kid

18 is just a kid. I suppose being over six feet is a good reason to be shot dead. The other one was only twelve. There's no point in arguing with Americans about it anyway. You all seem to be insane.

Except for me of course!

[SpheresOfBalance]

not sure how saying that Brown was not 'just a kid' somehow is a justification of anything

You obviously fear someone bigger than you, and sometimes they do use it in that way, but I'm sure Veggie was referring to his level of understanding of life, his wisdom, or rather his lack thereof.

Obviously, if the officers testimony is in fact true, for one to grab a loaded gun from one that is licensed to kill with it, is at least ignorant, or maybe touched, quite possibly stupid.

But then so was the cop, stupid, that is to use a projectile weapon at that close a range to allow for someone to grab it in the first place. If alone then maybe a gun as intimidation, but with backup, clubs would have been sufficient.

It was a stupid fiasco, oozing of fear, mainly on the cops part.

[SpheresOfBalance]

not sure how saying that Brown was not 'just a kid' somehow is a justification of anything

It was a frigging observation! You shoot kids over there. WTF! I don't see any argument. Your police like to shoot unarmed black children. End of story. The twelve year old was undeniably a child, even if you think 18 is a man.

are you talking about the 12 year old with a toy gun with the red ring removed - so that it did not look like a toy gun any more

that one just sounds like evolution in action to me

Evolution, HUH???