Racism does it make sense?

[Lev Muishkin]

There are over a 4 million whites in South Africa alone whose families have been there for hundreds of years.

Hundreds? I thought my question was clear enough in my implication that I was speaking in terms of thousands. But, whether it was clear or not then, is it clear now what I mean?

You said what you said. You can try to change your goalposts. But since you yourself can't prove your ancestry for 100s of years, I don't see why this is significant.

all over the western and European worlds.

I'm speaking of northern Europe, try to remain focused.

"European" incudes "norther. Try to use your brain!

Additionally Africa is a big place, and in Egypt alone there are so many variations with roots from nubia, Greece, Italy, Arabia....

I'm speaking of Southern Africa, could you possibly stay on topic?

Well Duh. Once again you said what you said. Try to think first and wrote your posts later. You are not very good at this are you? Any way my main example was South Africa.

So your question is meaningless; geography is only a nominal category for ancestry.

If people live in a place long enough how could it not be a good nominal category for their ancestry? In the case of Northern Europe, yes, it was settled by humans - no one evolved from beings outside of what would currently be the human breeding type, so when I say one's ancestors are entirely from Northern Europe, it means his ancestors all date back to those who were of the earliest to migrate there without migrating away or mixing with significantly later waves of migration.

Even if this were true, so what?

[Stuartp523]

Northern Europe is in Europe, yes. So whenever one replies to a topic of discussion, he can create a new topic of discussion and claim to be remaining on topic so long as the new topic encompasses the old? Wouldn't it be the other way around?

[Lev Muishkin]

Northern Europe is in Europe, yes. So whenever one replies to a topic of discussion, he can create a new topic of discussion and claim to be remaining on topic so long as the new topic encompasses the old? Wouldn't it be the other way around?

Are you either confused or are you just getting desperate to recover from your meaningless question? Or is that you now realise that it is irrelevant?

[Stuartp523]

So what, you couldn't hack it at ILP anymore, so you show up here??!

[SpheresOfBalance]

Is Kayla of mixed race?

We are all of mixed race! It's called the Human Race! It's the only Race that matters!

Yet let us not forget those with intense fear, as none of us get out of here alive!

[Lev Muishkin]

Is Kayla of mixed race?

We are all of mixed race! It's called the Human Race! It's the only Race that matters!
!

I don't think it is the only race that matters. A broad diversity of other species also matters.

[SpheresOfBalance]

Is Kayla of mixed race?

We are all of mixed race! It's called the Human Race! It's the only Race that matters!
!

I don't think it is the only race that matters. A broad diversity of other species also matters.

Show me your definition of "race," and I'll show you mine.


race (2) [reys]
noun
1. a group of persons related by common descent or heredity.
2. a population so related.
3. Anthropology.
....a. (no longer in technical use) any of the traditional divisions of humankind, the commonest being the Caucasian, Mongoloid, and Negro, characterized by supposedly distinctive and universal physical characteristics.
....b. an arbitrary classification of modern humans, sometimes, especially formerly, based on any or a combination of various physical characteristics, as skin color, facial form, or eye shape, and now frequently based on such genetic markers as blood groups.
....c. a human population partially isolated reproductively from other populations, whose members share a greater degree of physical and genetic similarity with one another than with other humans.
4. a group of tribes or peoples forming an ethnic stock: the Slavic race.
5. any people united by common history, language, cultural traits, etc.: the Dutch race.
6. the human race or family; humankind: Nuclear weapons pose a threat to the race.
7. Zoology. a variety; subspecies.

I'm sorry, I forgot, contextually, what were we talking about?

Need I really say more?

[Kayla]

Let's say someone asked you to look at someone and discern, or guess, their ancestry. But, to make it easier you would know that there'd be only two possible options; either the person was entirely of northern European ancestry or entirely of southern African ancestry. What would you say the odds would be that you'd discern, or guess, correctly?

not sure what you are getting at

obviously if i knew that one person was a zulu and another was swedish, i could guess which one is which - although an extremely black guy could be a swedish citizen and there are plenty of blond blue eyed south africans

[Stuartp523]

So the odds would be very good so long as you don't make Lev's error and cowardly pretend not to know that I was talking about ancestors going back far before the exploration and migration that became prevalent in the 1400s and earlier. But, concerning yourself, having ancestors that would also be easily told apart from each other because of their differing long-time geographical locations, in other words you being of mixed race, when people try to guess your race, they often guess wrong, and somehow according to you that establishes the ambiguity of all people's race.

[Lev Muishkin]

We are all of mixed race! It's called the Human Race! It's the only Race that matters!
!

I don't think it is the only race that matters. A broad diversity of other species also matters.

Show me your definition of "race," and I'll show you mine.


race (2) [reys]
noun
1. a group of persons related by common descent or heredity.
2. a population so related.
3. Anthropology.
....a. (no longer in technical use) any of the traditional divisions of humankind, the commonest being the Caucasian, Mongoloid, and Negro, characterized by supposedly distinctive and universal physical characteristics.
....b. an arbitrary classification of modern humans, sometimes, especially formerly, based on any or a combination of various physical characteristics, as skin color, facial form, or eye shape, and now frequently based on such genetic markers as blood groups.
....c. a human population partially isolated reproductively from other populations, whose members share a greater degree of physical and genetic similarity with one another than with other humans.
4. a group of tribes or peoples forming an ethnic stock: the Slavic race.
5. any people united by common history, language, cultural traits, etc.: the Dutch race.
6. the human race or family; humankind: Nuclear weapons pose a threat to the race.
7. Zoology. a variety; subspecies.

I'm sorry, I forgot, contextually, what were we talking about?

Need I really say more?

No, maybe it would have been better had you said less in the first place?

[Lev Muishkin]

So the odds would be very good so long as you don't make Lev's error and cowardly pretend not to know that I was talking about ancestors going back far before the exploration and migration that became prevalent in the 1400s and earlier. But, concerning yourself, having ancestors that would also be easily told apart from each other because of their differing long-time geographical locations, in other words you being of mixed race, when people try to guess your race, they often guess wrong, and somehow according to you that establishes the ambiguity of all people's race.

What do you mean by "Race"?
There was nothing cowardly about what I said. I answered your question accurately. The fault was your alone.
You still need to make a point about this.
Race is arbitrary, if Kayla does not fit into your arbitrary categories, then she represents a category of her own.
The fact is that every person on the planet is mixed race; it just all depends on how you arbitrarily divide and categorise.
During Caesar's reign there were dozens of different races all over Europe, each to his own tribe. These were no genetic categories, as they were all basically the same in appearance, but were tribal and cultural.

Race is just a way of categorising people from their appearance. If you want to turn that into a fetish then you will find a range of other reasons to justify it. None of them work towards harmony of the human species.

[Stuartp523]

The fact is that every person on the planet is mixed race; it just all depends on how you arbitrarily divide and categorise.

When I called you a coward it's only because I arbitrarily decided that I consider people cowards who either are to weak to face reality, or are named Lev. In fact it was close, instead of coward you almost made it under my categorization of those whose name starts with the letter "L". Unfortunately, I had already arbitrarily decided that I consider people whose names that start with the letter "L" to not include all forms of lower simian life, dogs (except those named Larry), and those named Lev.

None of them work towards harmony of the human species.

You have arbitrarily put humans into the category of those-who-need-harmony. Personally, I've arbitrarily taken both humans, most rock bands, and dolphins (and porpoises) out of that categorization.

[SpheresOfBalance]

We are all of mixed race! It's called the Human Race! It's the only Race that matters!
!

I don't think it is the only race that matters. A broad diversity of other species also matters.

Show me your definition of "race," and I'll show you mine.


race (2) [reys]
noun
1. a group of persons related by common descent or heredity.
2. a population so related.
3. Anthropology.
....a. (no longer in technical use) any of the traditional divisions of humankind, the commonest being the Caucasian, Mongoloid, and Negro, characterized by supposedly distinctive and universal physical characteristics.
....b. an arbitrary classification of modern humans, sometimes, especially formerly, based on any or a combination of various physical characteristics, as skin color, facial form, or eye shape, and now frequently based on such genetic markers as blood groups.
....c. a human population partially isolated reproductively from other populations, whose members share a greater degree of physical and genetic similarity with one another than with other humans.
4. a group of tribes or peoples forming an ethnic stock: the Slavic race.
5. any people united by common history, language, cultural traits, etc.: the Dutch race.
6. the human race or family; humankind: Nuclear weapons pose a threat to the race.
7. Zoology. a variety; subspecies.

I'm sorry, I forgot, contextually, what were we talking about?

Need I really say more?

No, maybe it would have been better had you said less in the first place?

Fear, the mind killer! As the animal's reflection cry's out, "Me!" And then there were talk's of race, or anything else, to ensure the inflated stature of the ego, above all others; presumption, indeed a means to that end.

[Lev Muishkin]

We are all of mixed race! It's called the Human Race! It's the only Race that matters!
!

Show me your definition of "race," and I'll show you mine.


race (2) [reys]
noun
1. a group of persons related by common descent or heredity.
2. a population so related.
3. Anthropology.
....a. (no longer in technical use) any of the traditional divisions of humankind, the commonest being the Caucasian, Mongoloid, and Negro, characterized by supposedly distinctive and universal physical characteristics.
....b. an arbitrary classification of modern humans, sometimes, especially formerly, based on any or a combination of various physical characteristics, as skin color, facial form, or eye shape, and now frequently based on such genetic markers as blood groups.
....c. a human population partially isolated reproductively from other populations, whose members share a greater degree of physical and genetic similarity with one another than with other humans.
4. a group of tribes or peoples forming an ethnic stock: the Slavic race.
5. any people united by common history, language, cultural traits, etc.: the Dutch race.
6. the human race or family; humankind: Nuclear weapons pose a threat to the race.
7. Zoology. a variety; subspecies.

I'm sorry, I forgot, contextually, what were we talking about?

Need I really say more?

No, maybe it would have been better had you said less in the first place?

Fear, the mind killer! As the animal's reflection cry's out, "Me!" And then there were talk's of race, or anything else, to ensure the inflated stature of the ego, above all others; presumption, indeed a means to that end.

Please refer to the suggestion I made above.

[SpheresOfBalance]

We are all of mixed race! It's called the Human Race! It's the only Race that matters!
!

Show me your definition of "race," and I'll show you mine.


race (2) [reys]
noun
1. a group of persons related by common descent or heredity.
2. a population so related.
3. Anthropology.
....a. (no longer in technical use) any of the traditional divisions of humankind, the commonest being the Caucasian, Mongoloid, and Negro, characterized by supposedly distinctive and universal physical characteristics.
....b. an arbitrary classification of modern humans, sometimes, especially formerly, based on any or a combination of various physical characteristics, as skin color, facial form, or eye shape, and now frequently based on such genetic markers as blood groups.
....c. a human population partially isolated reproductively from other populations, whose members share a greater degree of physical and genetic similarity with one another than with other humans.
4. a group of tribes or peoples forming an ethnic stock: the Slavic race.
5. any people united by common history, language, cultural traits, etc.: the Dutch race.
6. the human race or family; humankind: Nuclear weapons pose a threat to the race.
7. Zoology. a variety; subspecies.

I'm sorry, I forgot, contextually, what were we talking about?

Need I really say more?

No, maybe it would have been better had you said less in the first place?

Fear, the mind killer! As the animal's reflection cry's out, "Me!" And then there were talk's of race, or anything else, to ensure the inflated stature of the ego, above all others; presumption, indeed a means to that end.

Please refer to the suggestion I made above.

Take your own advise, as it surely applies to you. You that assume, jumping to conclusions, simply a means to antagonize argument, to fluff up your feathers, (to beat your chest like a gorilla), or you were surely in the dark.