Sanctuary

[Bill Wiltrack]

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~ Sanctuaries ~



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My wife is attending service in her traditional sanctuary - a church.




I am choosing a gym.


I look to find the emptiness; the silence inside of me.

Stopping, or attempting to stop, the internal chatter of my own narration. Will I be able to do it? I don't know.

But I'll be there, very shortly, to pray.


...and to fight EVERYTHING inside me. I will concentrate upon fighting myself. EVERYTHING I consider myself to be. Me.


Me...becoming the silent not-me.




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[uwot]

I look to find the emptiness; the silence inside of me.

Stopping, or attempting to stop, the internal chatter of my own narration. Will I be able to do it? I don't know.

Nor do I, Poor Bill, but we can hope.

[WanderingLands]

Just let go of your thoughts in a still manner and just recognize them as just such.

[Bill Wiltrack]

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Thank you.



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[WanderingLands]

You're welcome.

[Arising_uk]

Outstanding example of your subconscious homo-eroticism Bill. I can just see you as a muscle mary, tache an' all.

.My wife is attending service in her traditional sanctuary - a church.

You should take a leaf out of her book. As what you are doing is obviously not working.

I am choosing a gym.

I look to find the emptiness; the silence inside of me.

Stopping, or attempting to stop, the internal chatter of my own narration. Will I be able to do it? I don't know.

I do, the answer is no you won't. Mainly because you actually have no wish to as I've already given you two very good techniques for achieving in a large part what you say but here you are still not achieving your supposed wish.

But I'll be there, very shortly, to pray.

...and to fight EVERYTHING inside me. I will concentrate upon fighting myself. EVERYTHING I consider myself to be. Me.

Me...becoming the silent not-me.[/size]

Astounding! All that waffle on the zen sites and you paid exactly no attention to anyone, no change there then. So it's not about fighting, its about surrender, it's not about fighting, it's about serenity of mind, it's not about fighting it's about stillness, it's not about physically exhausting the body, it's about training the mind via discipline or control of the body, hence it's always some form of Yoga or moving exercise to get the body into the condition needed to be still for a long time so that the mind can be freed.

What you say is exactly why you'll not be achieving what you say you wish(although personally I doubt this as you are too in love with yourself in reality) as you are the consummate egotist and its all me, me, me with you. Stop thinking there is some other that is the better you that you can't reach for some reason. There is only you and it's about time you dropped the existential angst and learnt to live with yourself. If you wish to achieve what you say then try the NLP techniques I've told you about or join a Zen or Buddhist monastery and put some real effort in. Barring that have kids as they'll at least take you away from all the me, me, me and in the beginning leave you too tired to wallow in yourself.

[Bill Wiltrack]

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Look, it IS ALL ABOUT ME. Me. Me.Me.

- and oh, I got news for ya; YOU ARE EXACTLY THE SAME WAY.


YOU AND EVERYONE WHO READS, or doesn't read, THIS THREAD.


WE ARE ALL SELFISH, IDIOTIC BASTARDS.


- SO THERE...




I WON'T TRY THAT NLP mind washing shit. It's idiotic.




I DID join a zen monastery when I was quite young.






...JEZUS CHRIST... EVERYONE on this board told you that the NLP thingy is shit. When you gunna start believing us?



We're your goddamn soul-mates here. When you going to START TO TRUST US?




I feel like you are the person on your left in the GIF above.



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[Bill Wiltrack]

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Look, it IS ALL ABOUT ME. Me. Me.Me.

- and oh, I got news for ya; YOU ARE EXACTLY THE SAME WAY.


YOU AND EVERYONE WHO READS, or doesn't read, THIS THREAD.


WE ARE ALL SELFISH, IDIOTIC BASTARDS.


- SO THERE...




I WON'T TRY THAT NLP mind washing shit. It's idiotic.




I DID join a zen monastery when I was quite young.






...JEZUS CHRIST... EVERYONE on this board told you that the NLP thingy is shit. When you gunna start believing us?



We're your goddamn soul-mates here. When you going to START TO TRUST US?




I feel like you are the person on your left in the GIF above.



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[Arising_uk]

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Look, it IS ALL ABOUT ME. Me. Me.Me.

At last! Some insight!!

- and oh, I got news for ya; YOU ARE EXACTLY THE SAME WAY.

Oh! My mistake.

YOU AND EVERYONE WHO READS, or doesn't read, THIS THREAD.


WE ARE ALL SELFISH, IDIOTIC BASTARDS.


- SO THERE...

Speaking for yourself once again.

I WON'T TRY THAT NLP mind washing shit. It's idiotic.

How would you know?

I DID join a zen monastery when I was quite young. [/size]

Nah! You said you joined an American Zen commune. I'm talking about the real deal, up-sticks and go to Japan for four to five years if enlightenment you seek.

...JEZUS CHRIST... EVERYONE on this board told you that the NLP thingy is shit. When you gunna start believing us?

Not everyone Bill, you and one other I think. I'll start believing you and them when you can actually start talking about something you've experienced rather than wikkied.

You see, I can still my internal voice, can you?

We're your goddamn soul-mates here. When you going to START TO TRUST US?

I wouldn't trust a gnu like you as far as I could throw you.

I feel like you are the person on your left in the GIF above..

I've told you before, your feelings are immaterial to me and your subconscious is a sad and tawdry thing full of lust, rape and bestiality but most of all it's banging on the closet door and you won't come out. Still, explains the tache tho'.

[WanderingLands]

Arising, why do you have to antagonize Bill so much?

[Arising_uk]

Arising, why do you have to antagonize Bill so much?

I doubt I antagonise him at all, as a gnu's skin is very thick.

Since he posts upon a philosophy forum and posts philosophical drivel I find myself obliged to respond to him. That what he also posts is stuff that I consider antithetical to philosophy now and that I personally consider could be downright harmful to some is another reason I make sure to challenge the gnu's thoughts.

[WanderingLands]

I doubt I antagonise him at all, as a gnu's skin is very thick.

Since he posts upon a philosophy forum and posts philosophical drivel I find myself obliged to respond to him. That what he also posts is stuff that I consider antithetical to philosophy now and that I personally consider could be downright harmful to some is another reason I make sure to challenge the gnu's thoughts.

Really? Look at the last post by Bill directed at you; filled with anger and annoyed at you. I do agree that Bill's posts are immature, but I think it is inaccurate to call him this 'gnu' (I now the definition, by the way). I pretty much think your 'challenging' is shallow at this point and has become nothing but a torrent of repeated insults.

[Arising_uk]

... I pretty much think your 'challenging' is shallow at this point and has become nothing but a torrent of repeated insults.

Show me where? I think I respond exactly to whatever Bill says to me and think you mistaken about Bill as there is nothing immature in the way he goes about his trade.

[WanderingLands]

... I pretty much think your 'challenging' is shallow at this point and has become nothing but a torrent of repeated insults.

Show me where? I think I respond exactly to whatever Bill says to me and think you mistaken about Bill as there is nothing immature in the way he goes about his trade.

The fact that you have wrongly accused him of being a gnu, along with saying that he has NPD and Megalomania. I don't think he's searching out for followers or that he's flat out just a narcissist (as you say); just probably a person with angst and perhaps has some type of problem.

[Arising_uk]

The fact that you have wrongly accused him of being a gnu, along with saying that he has NPD and Megalomania. I don't think he's searching out for followers or that he's flat out just a narcissist (as you say); just probably a person with angst and perhaps has some type of problem.

I think he clearly has a narcissistic and megalomaniacal personality and if you read the wiki entries for both you will see that Bill's writings and his posts all across the interweeb forums prove the point. I agree he suffers from existential angst and this is one of his problems but I have pointed-out a cure for him, read and study the canon of philosophy.