How abstract can math get and still be useful?

[Philosophy Explorer]

In response to Hex:

Those 1105 posts+ you made, how many of them were worthwhile? And who are you to judge what's intelligent and what's not? Someone with a closed mind can not be satisfied as you've shown yourself to be.

PhilX

[HexHammer]

A single quote where you prove you can say something intelligent, should satisfy my request, but let me guess you make a lame ass excuse not to.

..because you can't!

In response to Hex:

Those 1105 posts+ you made, how many of them were worthwhile? And who are you to judge what's intelligent and what's not? Someone with a closed mind can not be satisfied as you've shown yourself to be.

It would have been so tragicly simple, yet you can't.

You could have shut me up for good, but you only proved my point beyond reasonable doubt for all to witness!

[Arising_uk]

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And clearly you don't know grammar and you don't know how to spell, ...

Just a point but Hex is not a native English speaker and I must say his English is improving.

[Philosophy Explorer]

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And clearly you don't know grammar and you don't know how to spell, ...

Just a point but Hex is not a native English speaker and I must say his English is improving.

Good, that would be a breath of fresh air.

PhilX

[Philosophy Explorer]

A single quote where you prove you can say something intelligent, should satisfy my request, but let me guess you make a lame ass excuse not to.

..because you can't!

In response to Hex:

Those 1105 posts+ you made, how many of them were worthwhile? And who are you to judge what's intelligent and what's not? Someone with a closed mind can not be satisfied as you've shown yourself to be.

It would have been so tragicly simple, yet you can't.

You could have shut me up for good, but you only proved my point beyond reasonable doubt for all to witness!

You just love to parrot yourself. So when are we going to get some intelligence out of you?

PhilX

[Arising_uk]

Good, that would be a breath of fresh air.

PhilX

Tell you what, why don't you talk to him in his language.

Oh! What did you mean by 'levels' of maths abstraction?

[Philosophy Explorer]

Good, that would be a breath of fresh air.

PhilX

Tell you what, why don't you talk to him in his language.

Oh! What did you mean by 'levels' of maths abstraction?

No thanks.

Levels of math abstraction. Hmmmm.

PhilX

[HexHammer]

A single quote where you prove you can say something intelligent, should satisfy my request, but let me guess you make a lame ass excuse not to.

..because you can't!

In response to Hex:

Those 1105 posts+ you made, how many of them were worthwhile? And who are you to judge what's intelligent and what's not? Someone with a closed mind can not be satisfied as you've shown yourself to be.

It would have been so tragicly simple, yet you can't.

You could have shut me up for good, but you only proved my point beyond reasonable doubt for all to witness!

You just love to parrot yourself. So when are we going to get some intelligence out of you?

LOL! You just can't help youself! ..I asked what kind of job one such as you have, apparently the answer is too emberresing for people to know, guess you are too stupid to have even a job at McD.

[Philosophy Explorer]

Hex said:

"LOL! You just can't help youself! ..I asked what kind of job one such as you have, apparently the answer is too emberresing for people to know, guess you are too stupid to have even a job at McD."

Guess wrong. I'm President of the US. What job do you have? But maybe I shouldn't ask that question because even with a spellchecker, Hex couldn't get a job as a dogcatcher.

Oh yes thanks for reminding as I'm going to McDonalds.

PhilX

[Blaggard]

Wrong and wrong. Anything that originates from our minds is abstract. I see you're employing one of your favorite phrases, a parrot speech. Mind telling me where I heard it?

Every time you open your mouth only nonsense and babble spews out.

You can't say a single intelligent word, that's why we always see this overly simplistic threads from you, where only want a good discussiong going on, and you can't participate in the discussion, beacuse that is above your tragicly low lvl.

Long and fulfilling answers you said in a previous post, all I see is more of the same ad homs which explain nothing. If anyone has ever been fulfilled by an opinionated nobody on this subject, without an idea how to tackle things, well I will eat my hat.

Incidentally Hex Hammer is obsessed with money, to the point where he compares salaries to define worth. As far as I understand it he worked in a middle management job for years, until he retired and became embittered it seems. Middle management: the elephants graveyard of people who lack the ability to do anything else but stagnate. This he blames on everyone else but himself. Just FYI explorer.

Can we get back to maths now, and stop comparing penis size?

Most of this thread doesn't seem to about mathematics, or math, or maths, or even numbers.

Seems to me, some of the math, maths and calculations used in physics these days is too esoteric to be applied anywhere else - but is indispensable in abstract physics. I don't know whether that's useful right now, but in the past, some practical applications fell out of equations devised for a narrowly specialized field.

I don't suppose it's possible for anything a human thinks of to be too abstract - but many ideas turn out, on close examination, to be rubbish. That's okay; the rubbishy ones will be discarded, unless they make money for somebody.

Now, eat your nice perals and go to bed!

This equation has been described as the most beautiful in maths and one of the most useful in any area. I mentioned imaginary numbers earlier but all trigonometry can be derived from this formula, there is hence nothing more perfect in science or maths than this simple equation and nothing more fundamental, when it was invented it was a breakthrough, even though it contained an imaginary 4th axis perpendicular to the 3 others:



if you will recall i^2=-1

and hence it is a solution to:

(Sqrt -1)+1=0

Usually the square root of -1=1

It's elegant in it's simplicity hence the above not only does it use the fundamental mathematical arguments, but almost all maths is simply contained in it.

And yeah as explorer said factorisation or using ! as an expression, is extremely useful in such areas as chaos theory, biology and physics.

It is abstract in its pure form it becomes less abstract in it's scientific form.

On another but related note to factorisation the Fibonacci sequence.



The most efficient method to form the seeds in a sun flower head is a Fibonacci sequence. The way a nautilus shell grows, and many other natural forms.

0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55,89,144...

The sum of the previous is the result of the following.

[HexHammer]

Hex said:

"LOL! You just can't help youself! ..I asked what kind of job one such as you have, apparently the answer is too emberresing for people to know, guess you are too stupid to have even a job at McD."

Guess wrong. I'm President of the US. What job do you have? But maybe I shouldn't ask that question because even with a spellchecker, Hex couldn't get a job as a dogcatcher.

Interesting making such implausible lies.

[uwot]

Interesting making such implausible lies.

More interesting are the implausible lies that people actually believe; for instance: that you know what you are talking about.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

Wrong and wrong. Anything that originates from our minds is abstract. I see you're employing one of your favorite phrases, a parrot speech. Mind telling me where I heard it?

Every time you open your mouth only nonsense and babble spews out.

You can't say a single intelligent word, that's why we always see this overly simplistic threads from you, where only want a good discussiong going on, and you can't participate in the discussion, beacuse that is above your tragicly low lvl.

Long and fulfilling answers you said in a previous post, all I see is more of the same ad homs which explain nothing. If anyone has ever been fulfilled by an opinionated nobody on this subject, without an idea how to tackle things, well I will eat my hat.

Incidentally Hex Hammer is obsessed with money, to the point where he compares salaries to define worth. As far as I understand it he worked in a middle management job for years, until he retired and became embittered it seems. Middle management: the elephants graveyard of people who lack the ability to do anything else but stagnate. This he blames on everyone else but himself. Just FYI explorer.

Can we get back to maths now, and stop comparing penis size?

Most of this thread doesn't seem to about mathematics, or math, or maths, or even numbers.

Seems to me, some of the math, maths and calculations used in physics these days is too esoteric to be applied anywhere else - but is indispensable in abstract physics. I don't know whether that's useful right now, but in the past, some practical applications fell out of equations devised for a narrowly specialized field.

I don't suppose it's possible for anything a human thinks of to be too abstract - but many ideas turn out, on close examination, to be rubbish. That's okay; the rubbishy ones will be discarded, unless they make money for somebody.

Now, eat your nice perals and go to bed!

This equation has been described as the most beautiful in maths and one of the most useful in any area. I mentioned imaginary numbers earlier but all trigonometry can be derived from this formula, there is hence nothing more perfect in science or maths than this simple equation and nothing more fundamental, when it was invented it was a breakthrough, even though it contained an imaginary 4th axis perpendicular to the 3 others:



if you will recall i^2=-1

and hence it is a solution to:

(Sqrt -1)+1=0

Usually the square root of -1=1

It's elegant in it's simplicity hence the above not only does it use the fundamental mathematical arguments, but almost all maths is simply contained in it.

And yeah as explorer said factorisation or using ! as an expression, is extremely useful in such areas as chaos theory, biology and physics.

It is abstract in its pure form it becomes less abstract in it's scientific form.

On another but related note to factorisation the Fibonacci sequence.



The most efficient method to form the seeds in a sun flower head is a Fibonacci sequence. The way a nautilus shell grows, and many other natural forms.

0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55,89,144...

The sum of the previous is the result of the following.

Love this post.

[HexHammer]

The most efficient method to form the seeds in a sun flower head is a Fibonacci sequence. The way a nautilus shell grows, and many other natural forms.

No, the Nautilus is nortoriously wrong, doesn't fit a standard Fib. curve.

[HexHammer]