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Think you are selling yourself short on this connection to Neuro-Linguistic Programming. It undermines all of your other opinions here at the forum. - but if that is your bag I'm all for it.
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Tell it to those whose phobias have been rapidly removed. Tell it to those who changed limiting beliefs that were having an adverse effect upon their lives. Tell it to those who have improved their performance in fields in which they were already successful. Tell it to those who have achieved outcomes they set themselves. Tell it to Bill Clinton.Bill Wiltrack wrote:.
The discredidation of Neuro-linguistic programming is far too extensive to relay here. ...
I do however referr you to the unbiased wiki article of Neuro-linguistic programming, which I quote, in part, below:
Not exactly a wild claim and a pretty positive one to boot. In fact exactly what Psychotherapy believes I'd have thought?Neuro-linguistic programming (NLP) is an approach to communication, personal development, and psychotherapy created by Richard Bandler and John Grinder in California, United States in the 1970s. Its creators claim a connection between the neurological processes ("neuro"), language ("linguistic") and behavioral patterns learned through experience ("programming") and that these can be changed to achieve specific goals in life. ...
Which is pretty much what they did for themselves when they modelled the psychotherapists they used to build the NLP model.Bandler and Grinder claim that the skills of exceptional people can be "modeled" using NLP methodology, then those skills can be acquired by anyone. ...
Hah! Love the last sentence tagged on, unbiased my arse. See the word "can"? For the rest, the learning disorder would have been types of diagnosed dyslexia and that'll be Robert Dilts I reckon as he got interested in learning, psychosomatic illnesses can exactly include myopia, allergies, depression, habit disorder and since they are all to do with one mental models I guess some NLP practitioner would have modelled the significant actions that could help to 'cure' them. As the insight that Bandler and Grinder had over the other psychotherapists was to look at those who 'cured' themselves of their conditions to see if there was anything that could be applied to help others, rather than spend time practicing how to 'cure' those suffering.Bandler and Grinder also claim that NLP can treat problems such as phobias, depression, habit disorder, psychosomatic illnesses, myopia,[8] allergy, common cold,[9] and learning disorders, often in a single session. NLP has been adopted by some hypnotherapists and in seminars marketed to business and government.
The balance of scientific evidence reveals NLP to be a largely discredited pseudoscience. Scientific reviews show it contains numerous factual errors, and fails to produce the results asserted by proponents.[/size]
Not on my NC NLP course.The article continues:
Devilly argues that the so-called power therapies—such as NLP—gain popularity because they are promoted, like other pseudoscience, using a set of social influence tactics. These include making extraordinary claims (e.g., a one-session cure for any trauma-related memory),
Not on my NC NLP course.creating a rationalization trap by obtaining incremental commitments from students learning the power therapy (e.g., first lesson is free and subsequent courses increase in price),
Not on my NC NLP course. The irony is that if you learn and practice the techniques and assume the presuppositions then its pretty much impossible for one to be taken in by a guru-like leader. Althoughmanufacturing source credibility and sincerity by creating a guru-like leader that is most qualified in the power therapy, creating a self-regulated body composed of those that have completed a course in the power therapy, and defining an enemy to facilitate in-group/out-group thinking and behavior and to serve as a scapegoat.
And yet CBT is now one of the most popular tools in the psychoanalysts toolbox?NLP has been criticized alongside theories and practices characterized as questionable, pseudoscience and/or discredited practices in therapy. Sources within therapy and psychology include books such as Crazy Therapies (1997), Science and Pseudo-science in Clinical Psychology (2002), and Tall Tales about the Mind and Brain (2007). Articles critical of NLP also appear in the Encyclopedia of Pseudoscience (2000) and The Skeptic's Dictionary (2003).
OH! PLEASE STOP! You're hurting my sides. Bill Willtrack advocating "the importance of rational and critical thinking"NLP has also been used as a key example of pseudoscience to facilitate the understanding of the importance of rational and critical thinking in a number of academic subjects.
As I have stated before, just briefly practicing this discipline - or even just reading about this bullshit, makes one want to take a mental shower afterwords. It's really a hippy-like horseshit from what you would see in the 70's.
Nah! I made that up long before I explored NLP as I'm old enough to have experienced many gnus and their techniques, its why I can smell you a mile away.is where I see you have obtained that word gnu that you misuse here at The Forum.
You know this from experience do you? Or is this just more of your wiki 'learning'.-linguistic programming (NLP) uses, what rational people would term guru in much of the subliminal drivel neuro-linguistic programming feeds it's flock.
Do you? I doubt it. In NLP what you've just done is called breaking the pre-supposition that 'The Map is not the Territory' and its also called 'Mind-reading' which is also a no-no, bu then you are a delusional sort of gnu aren't you.understand neuro-linguistic programming's attraction for you.
To whom? You? You think I think your opinion of any value? You've misunderstood our relationship.TELL US - TELL ME: DO YOU SEE HOW FOOLISH YOU LOOK?
Since you know nothing about the 'programming' and have no experience at all of what you talk about I understand that you understand nothing about the subject but as usual think yourself the gnu of all matters.YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THIS TYPE OF PROGRAMMING IS USING YOUR HEAD AS THE BASKETBALL WHEN YOUR COACH SAYS " LET'S PLAY SOME BASKETBALL!" [/size][/color]
There you go again, gushing your feelings about as tho' they have any import. Why do you do this, oh! I know, its how you play the gnu to your hoped for acolytes. Save them for yourself as you obviously need them.I am embarrassed for you. Until you bring this guru horseshit up, you sound relatively normal.
Luck is always handy but on the whole I prefer planning and technique.luck to you in all you do.
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Says the drugged-up, self-harming endorphin junkie.size=124]...you've taken one too many shots to the head my friend. Perhaps it's time to take it a bit easy upon yourself.
No need, as I can turn it on and off at will.told you about a year ago to not undertake starting any threads here. I think that was good advice. Please continue following that advice...and whatever you do DROP this neuro-linguistic programming.
You ought to take an NLP course as this is derisory but true to form from a delusional gnu. You really ought to try the New Age Sites as they may be more gullible, oh! you have, in fact you've pretty much tried every site out there and been banned from the bulk it appears. How's this method working out for you? Not well it appears. Maybe you ought to read a little NC NLP and risk fixing your issues and achieving your outcomes.listen to me. Allow me to continue to be your gnu or guru or whatever you choose call me. Continue to trust me and listen to me. I have not let you down yet.[/size]


Have you? Tell me what you did with it.Bill Wiltrack wrote:.
I have had an open mind about neuro-linguistic programming.
No need to apologise Bill because its all for the best that you don't achieve your outcomes.I cannot apologize for unequivocally rejecting this particular type of programming.
Pseudo-science now pseudo-philosophy make your mind up.I wish you continued success as you pursue this commonly understood pseudo-philosophy.[/size]

No need to apologise as I know being hard of thought must be difficult for you. So once again, just for you, philosophically NLP is an epistemology and a testable phenomenology but they would consider it a tool for communication, learning and change so of not much interest to you I'd guess.Bill Wiltrack wrote:I'm sorry. I don't know what to call Neuro-linguistic programming.
You didn't, what you first said was that it was a pseudo-science and by inference implied that they thought themselves a science, they don't, you then said it was a pseudo-philosophy, again by inference implying that they think themselves a philosophy, they don't, I just thought I'd also elucidate for your benefit what being a philosophy entails.Don't know why I would associate NLP with being a legitimate philosophy.
Well some of us do but according to you you've been stuck with your past for decades now. But its not just moving on Bill, its integrating and moving forward....Or neuro-linguistic programming being a legitimate anything. Glad you moved-on. We grow...
I was focused upon this thread but you decided to side-track onto NLP in some kind of attempt to discredit me.Bill Wiltrack wrote:....I'd like to keep this thread focused upon legitimate, serious philosophical thought.
You're the one who brought it up numbnuts.I respect where you are coming from but I respectfully ask you not to soil this extremely successful thread thus far with any more talk of neuro-linguistic programming.
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Obviously not as if it was you'd consider it.Bill Wiltrack wrote:.However you need to characterize it in your mind is fine with me.
Despite what you think Wiki is not the font of all reason.However, neuro-linguistic programming remains shady shit. Wiki will tell you that... oh...shit, wait a minute, I forgot, you're already programmed.
