Art of Memory

[WanderingLands]

Probably am going to think this subject through to make some coherent thoughts on it. Until then, I'll just show you this lecture which discusses the history and overview of the art of memory.

http://m.youtube.com/?#/watch?v=-WpxbPHkq4A

[jackles]

the word remember.means to reconstruct so if you remember someone or something you reconstruct as apart of relativity that someone or thing as part of your identity which is awareness.

[WanderingLands]

the word remember.means to reconstruct so if you remember someone or something you reconstruct as apart of relativity that someone or thing as part of your identity which is awareness.

Yes!

[henry quirk]

Remembering is more about imagining than recollecting.

Even the savant with eidetic (near-infallible) memory is imagining, he or she just does it with greater fidelity.

[WanderingLands]

Remembering is more about imagining than recollecting.

Even the savant with eidetic (near-infallible) memory is imagining, he or she just does it with greater fidelity.

The creative act may come into play, but remembering actually does mean recollecting, which the two words are synonymous with each other and is defined as to recall something. Mere imagination is more so creating things within your mind and is more separate from reality.

[henry quirk]

What I mean, WL, is remembering is a (re)constructive act, based on few actual details.

Very much, I think, when one 'remembers' one is really 'imagining' what was, not accessing information.

Remembering, then, is action, creation, not data retrieval.

At least: that how it seems to me, as I self-interrogate.

It seems that I don't 'recall' but 'build' (from raw material [a few salient details]).

[WanderingLands]

What I mean, WL, is remembering is a (re)constructive act, based on few actual details.

Very much, I think, when one 'remembers' one is really 'imagining' what was, not accessing information.

Remembering, then, is action, creation, not data retrieval.

At least: that how it seems to me, as I self-interrogate.

It seems that I don't 'recall' but 'build' (from raw material [a few salient details]).

It may perhaps be that way, at least when it comes to more vague memories, that is. It may also possibly be true that we can exagerate our memories through our creative act as well. For me, though, there would have to be a sense of data retrival, even if some of our memories may not be so sharp. When it comes to practical things, like tools for example, you may not use whatever tool for some time but yet when you do so again, it may come back again through the memory of it. We can also remember easily the more a priori based knowledge such as mathematics, to a degree. So there must at least be some form of 'retreiving' in memory.

[henry quirk]

"...there must at least be some form of 'retreiving' in memory"

Sure, I agree, but the same can be said for pure imagining too.

When I imagine, am I creating (in the sense of makin' sumthin' from nuthin') or am I -- as with remembering -- constructing (taking elements/details and arranging them)?

When I remember: I take details (very few) and use those details to scaffold what corresponds to fact (an object; objectivity).

When I imagine: I take details (very few) and use those details to scaffold what corresponds to an ideal (a subject, subjectivity).

Perhaps the only real difference between remembering and imagining is the 'direction' of the act (outward, of the world, in memory; inward, of the self, in imagination).

[WanderingLands]

"...there must at least be some form of 'retreiving' in memory"

Sure, I agree, but the same can be said for pure imagining too.

When I imagine, am I creating (in the sense of makin' sumthin' from nuthin') or am I -- as with remembering -- constructing (taking elements/details and arranging them)?

When I remember: I take details (very few) and use those details to scaffold what corresponds to fact (an object; objectivity).

When I imagine: I take details (very few) and use those details to scaffold what corresponds to an ideal (a subject, subjectivity).

Perhaps the only real difference between remembering and imagining is the 'direction' of the act (outward, of the world, in memory; inward, of the self, in imagination).

What you are describing is actually talked about in the video that I have presented. The lecture in the video makes two distinctions about memory: the loci (visualizing the objects of the location you're at), and the imaginalis (visualizing the emotions and qualities).

[Wyman]

I think both of you are right about imagining being involved in some types of memory, but there are also many other types of memory.

Remembering how to do things does not really involve imagination, or at least very little.

When you see someone from the past, you say 'I remember you' without having to 'imagine' anything - it comes instantaneously. Similarly, when you remember an old song you hadn't heard in years.

Reciting a line from a movie or a song doesn't involve imagining it first.

Remembering to pack you lunch or bring your coat with you doesn't involve imagination.

[WanderingLands]

I think both of you are right about imagining being involved in some types of memory, but there are also many other types of memory.

Remembering how to do things does not really involve imagination, or at least very little.

When you see someone from the past, you say 'I remember you' without having to 'imagine' anything - it comes instantaneously. Similarly, when you remember an old song you hadn't heard in years.

Reciting a line from a movie or a song doesn't involve imagining it first.

Remembering to pack you lunch or bring your coat with you doesn't involve imagination.

I agree, actually, about the distinction between recalling and imagining.

[henry quirk]

A short list...

-Memory/remembering: (on-going) act of recall, of reliving (in a fashion) the past; may (or may not) involve fabrication (imagining); the on-going comparison of 'now' with 'then'.

-Imagining: deliberate rearrangement of the known (the remembered/the experienced) so as to invoke novelty; deliberate change of perspective (how one stands in relation to 'this' or 'that') by way of supposing; the on-going comparison of 'now' (as it is) with what might have been, what could be, what might be 'now' if 'this' or 'that' were, or had been, different.

-Habit/routine: repetitive movement of the body, muscle 'memory', environmental triggers; a series or cluster of behaviors (usually self-preserving or -enhancing) on which one relies but gives little thought to; usually satisfying to engage in.

-Associations: sensory experience linked to a state (the sight or smell or touch that raises up an image or 'feeling').

What else?

[WanderingLands]

Not sure, really. You seem to have summed it up, at least as far as I know of in regards to memory.

[henry quirk]

"You seem to have summed it up"

Only thing I left out is the context of the remembering and imagining, that being the 'I'.