Delusions make the human mind that more amazing

[MozartLink]

People with either delusions of grandeur or the delusional belief in a God or afterlife should not be frowned upon because mental delusions are just one of the many amazing functions of the human mind. I'm sure many atheists admire the beauty of knowing how things scientifically work and such. Therefore, you should acknowledge the fact that anyone with a delusional belief has a beautiful scientific inner working of their minds and you should not frown upon it and convince them otherwise of their beliefs and such. I realize that atheists value the truth that there is no God and afterlife, but you should also value the fact that any attitude or delusional belief a person has is just something scientifically meant for survival. You should not try to change how things work according to science in this specific situation (which means not trying to change this person's beliefs). However, when it comes to the beliefs either causing harm to themselves or anyone else, that's when it's time to intervene. But other than that, if this person's belief just simply brings them personal pleasure in life, then it should not be frowned upon at all and should be acknowledged as an amazing function of his/her mind that makes this person that more amazing. I have delusions of grandeur and I don't have the intention of harming anyone or halting scientific progress.

There are innocent people here just living their own fantasy world not harming others or causing wars and we should just leave these people alone and never tell them the truth of reality as long as they are happy with their fantasies. We should encourage their fantasies to make them even more happy. If your attitude is that we should convince these people otherwise because the more people we have who realize the facts of reality, the more progress we have in science and such, then what if they never wanted to be that way and being that way makes them disappointed and depressed? Not to mention, some people don't even care about science and supporting it--they are just fine living their own innocent happy lives. Therefore, it's not worth it at all to tell them the truth of reality just for the possible sake of getting a more few people here and there to support science when the fact is that science is already being well supported by many people.

Many people think that those who live in a fantasy world are somehow weak or useless to society, but this couldn’t be further from the truth. I am using my “living in a fantasy world” mindset to compose music. Composing music is something that greatly contributes to society (even pieces of music that have fantasy-like emotion to them since even these types of music are honored by many people whether it just be instrumental or even with lyrics and such). The mindset that I wish to live in a fantasy world is very important to me because I use that in composing music that has beautiful fantasy-like emotion to it and such and I do not want anything in reality to interfere with it. Although there are people who do use inspiration from reality and use that to compose music, I am not this type of person at all. I can use my inspiration from fantasy to achieve greatness and success in life just as good (if not better) than those people who do with inspiration from reality. Therefore, this right here says that my personal delusions of grandeur through fantasy will not have negative consequences and are just as good (if not better) than reality itself. Instead, I will be someone great and perhaps very successful in life through being a composer.

[The Voice of Time]

People with either delusions of grandeur or the delusional belief in a God or afterlife should not be frowned upon because mental delusions are just one of the many amazing functions of the human mind. I'm sure many atheists admire the beauty of knowing how things scientifically work and such. Therefore, you should acknowledge the fact that anyone with a delusional belief has a beautiful scientific inner working of their minds and you should not frown upon it and convince them otherwise of their beliefs and such.

Their beliefs have consequences upon other people's lives, so... no.

Delusions of grandeur has destroyed many lives throughout history because people invest in things believing it to have positive effects it does not have. Russia today suffers from ideas that building big yields effective returns, the Sochi Olympics was a financial disaster for instance, the most expensive in history with a long list of irrational choices built out of delusions. There's nothing wrong with Grandiose dreams, but they need to be coupled with a sense of necessity, purpose and orientation of need. You should only build a thousand schools if you have teachers to put in them, funds and people to build them, and school children who needs and will comparatively greatly benefit from attending them.

As for religious delusions, they stand in the way for a focus around human beings and their initial needs, and are a such an impediment and hindrance for societies in growing an intellectually capable and effective population. All such hindrances must be combated so that human beings can actually get what they need and have lasting secured happiness.

[MozartLink]

People with either delusions of grandeur or the delusional belief in a God or afterlife should not be frowned upon because mental delusions are just one of the many amazing functions of the human mind. I'm sure many atheists admire the beauty of knowing how things scientifically work and such. Therefore, you should acknowledge the fact that anyone with a delusional belief has a beautiful scientific inner working of their minds and you should not frown upon it and convince them otherwise of their beliefs and such.

Their beliefs have consequences upon other people's lives, so... no.

Delusions of grandeur has destroyed many lives throughout history because people invest in things believing it to have positive effects it does not have. Russia today suffers from ideas that building big yields effective returns, the Sochi Olympics was a financial disaster for instance, the most expensive in history with a long list of irrational choices built out of delusions. There's nothing wrong with Grandiose dreams, but they need to be coupled with a sense of necessity, purpose and orientation of need. You should only build a thousand schools if you have teachers to put in them, funds and people to build them, and school children who needs and will comparatively greatly benefit from attending them.

As for religious delusions, they stand in the way for a focus around human beings and their initial needs, and are a such an impediment and hindrance for societies in growing an intellectually capable and effective population. All such hindrances must be combated so that human beings can actually get what they need and have lasting secured happiness.

First off, you would have no way of knowing for a fact if this innocent person's delusions would ever have negative consequences because any thought and such besides delusional beliefs (even scientific knowledge) might have negative consequences since science can be used for negative consequences. Since you would have no way of knowing, you should then admire and leave innocent people alone who have delusional fantasies just like you would admire and leave people who are scientists and atheists alone. But until this innocent person somehow decides to harm themselves and others and cause negative consequences (which might never happen), the happiness of these innocent people is the only thing that matters at this moment and not what others think of them and there would be no reason at all to tell them the truth of reality or try to convince them otherwise.

Second, explain how an innocent caring person would end up having negative consequences by having his/her delusions if the delusion is something without morals? I know that even innocent people with delusional beliefs in a God with the morals along with it would do something such as sacrifice others because they thought it was the right thing for God. But if you take away the morals and just have the delusional fantasy alone by itself, I do not see how there would be any negative consequences from it. For example, how would the delusional belief of there being heaven by itself without any morals have negative consequences if this belief is something that just brings this innocent person personal pleasure in life?

[The Voice of Time]

First off, you would have no way of knowing for a fact if this innocent person's delusions would ever have negative consequences because any thought and such besides delusional beliefs (even scientific knowledge) might have negative consequences since science can be used for negative consequences.

Balance of probability. Do not depend upon things that tend not to give positive results, also, when one chooses to stop a delusion person is first and foremost when the person's delusions are coupled with plan and power, because in a plan you'll be able to find the irrationality of their choices, and in power you can't trust them.[/quote]

[The Voice of Time]

Since you would have no way of knowing, you should then admire and leave innocent people alone who have delusional fantasies just like you would admire and leave people who are scientists and atheists alone.

Not comparable. Delusions are dangerous by nature, only by chance are they not allowed to make negative effects. Nothing inherently makes anybody labelled a scientist nor an atheist a risk or a problem of great significance, but delusions have inherent risks and problems, unless you isolate them, but that it makes no sense to isolate people simply to preserve their delusions. We can't give them their necessities for free either, they need to be in relation to the rest of society in some manner, and as long as they have their delusions they will pose risks and problems.

But until this innocent person somehow decides to harm themselves and others and cause negative consequences (which might never happen), the happiness of these innocent people is the only thing that matters at this moment and not what others think of them and there would be no reason at all to tell them the truth of reality or try to convince them otherwise.

Any member of a society must engage in society, they cannot simply choose to be outside of society. And as an engaging member of society you have duties and you have responsibilities to all other members. Delusions can easily become an impediment to you fulfilling those duties, and that society cannot allow. Society plans and orders its population so that they may be able to engage with it, schooling being a prime example of this, and you cannot be allowed to fail.

Society cannot "wait" for you to do something wrong, it has to act pre-emptively. Now this does not mean it always have to nag you about your imperfections, but those imperfections that are big problems... that's another question which will require effective solving.

[MozartLink]

The mindset that I wish to live in a fantasy world is very important to me because I use that in composing music that has beautiful fantasy-like emotion to it and such and I do not want anything in reality to interfere with it. Although there are people who do use inspiration from reality and use that to compose music, I am not this type of person at all. I can use my inspiration from fantasy to achieve greatness and success in life just as good (if not better) than those people who do with inspiration from reality. Therefore, this right here says that my personal delusions of grandeur through fantasy will not have negative consequences. Instead, it is the exact opposite and I will be a successful composer in life because of it.

[The Voice of Time]

Second, explain how an innocent caring person would end up having negative consequences by having his/her delusions if the delusion is something without morals? I know that even innocent people with delusional beliefs in a God with the morals along with it would do something such as sacrifice others because they thought it was the right thing for God. But if you take away the morals and just have the delusional fantasy alone by itself, I do not see how there would be any negative consequences from it. For example, how would the delusional belief of there being heaven by itself without any morals have negative consequences if this belief is something that just brings this innocent person personal pleasure in life?

Morals is not something you can simply separate from other types of beliefs. All things affect ethical thought, I have written about this before indirectly by linking ethics to the management of mind (that's another story though).

The belief in heaven will most certainly affect how you view life. But the problem is you've not said "what about" heaven they believe? That could be a lot of things, people think of heaven differently... how does it work? What does it contain? What are the authorities on it? How do I get there if at all? All those questions will give a much better template for answering your question, but I'll still try, though your lack of specificity is gonna yield an unsatisfactory answer.

An immediate example to me would be that the person would view life with a kind of lightness that made them insensitive to the actual dangers posed by the world. This insensitivity would give them an irrational kind of courage, plain stupidity, which would make it impossible for other people to create affectionate relations to the individual without also constantly being afraid of what the individual would do. It might also make the individual lack the respect of other people's dangers, if you gave them responsibility they might not take seriously the risks posed in certain circumstances that they will have the choice to enter with themselves and other people. In public they may act as though life is meaningless and heaven is the goal, that people exist to die, a kind of chilling notion for those of us who value of lives. To tales of horror in other parts of the world they may act as though it doesn't matter if people are slaughtered in the thousands because they will end up in heaven.

A problem is though, that virtually anything could happen to a person who had a delusions of heaven. I mean... heaven itself is a kind of boring thing, not much to say about it. A person who had delusions of heaven would by all likelihood have lots of ideas that related heaven to their terrestrial life, some kind of very abstract fantasy is not much to be delusional about. I mean, at some point you might just call it as delusional as a sex fantasy. It's not that people believe it's true, that it's really happening, it's just that they find it aesthetically pleasing to think about. I mean if you have no consequential thoughts about heaven then what's the point? That's no delusion, it's just a fantasy, it's not the same.

This is all theoretical of course, I know no person with significant delusions of heaven and just heaven and not all the rest of their religion (does such a person even exist?), to most religious people in my country I think their beliefs are weak and unessential to their lives. The social gathering is more important than the religious texts and spiritual relationships.

You'll have to create a better more complete example if you want a better answer.

[MozartLink]

Second, explain how an innocent caring person would end up having negative consequences by having his/her delusions if the delusion is something without morals? I know that even innocent people with delusional beliefs in a God with the morals along with it would do something such as sacrifice others because they thought it was the right thing for God. But if you take away the morals and just have the delusional fantasy alone by itself, I do not see how there would be any negative consequences from it. For example, how would the delusional belief of there being heaven by itself without any morals have negative consequences if this belief is something that just brings this innocent person personal pleasure in life?

Morals is not something you can simply separate from other types of beliefs. All things affect ethical thought, I have written about this before indirectly by linking ethics to the management of mind (that's another story though).

The belief in heaven will most certainly affect how you view life. But the problem is you've not said "what about" heaven they believe? That could be a lot of things, people think of heaven differently... how does it work? What does it contain? What are the authorities on it? How do I get there if at all? All those questions will give a much better template for answering your question, but I'll still try, though your lack of specificity is gonna yield an unsatisfactory answer.

An immediate example to me would be that the person would view life with a kind of lightness that made them insensitive to the actual dangers posed by the world. This insensitivity would give them an irrational kind of courage, plain stupidity, which would make it impossible for other people to create affectionate relations to the individual without also constantly being afraid of what the individual would do. It might also make the individual lack the respect of other people's dangers, if you gave them responsibility they might not take seriously the risks posed in certain circumstances that they will have the choice to enter with themselves and other people. In public they may act as though life is meaningless and heaven is the goal, that people exist to die, a kind of chilling notion for those of us who value of lives. To tales of horror in other parts of the world they may act as though it doesn't matter if people are slaughtered in the thousands because they will end up in heaven.

A problem is though, that virtually anything could happen to a person who had a delusions of heaven. I mean... heaven itself is a kind of boring thing, not much to say about it. A person who had delusions of heaven would by all likelihood have lots of ideas that related heaven to their terrestrial life, some kind of very abstract fantasy is not much to be delusional about. I mean, at some point you might just call it as delusional as a sex fantasy. It's not that people believe it's true, that it's really happening, it's just that they find it aesthetically pleasing to think about. I mean if you have no consequential thoughts about heaven then what's the point? That's no delusion, it's just a fantasy, it's not the same.

This is all theoretical of course, I know no person with significant delusions of heaven and just heaven and not all the rest of their religion (does such a person even exist?), to most religious people in my country I think their beliefs are weak and unessential to their lives. The social gathering is more important than the religious texts and spiritual relationships.

You'll have to create a better more complete example if you want a better answer.

Thank you for replying to me here. Now go ahead and give your opinions on the previous post I just made here as well.

[The Voice of Time]

The mindset that I wish to live in a fantasy world is very important to me because I use that in composing music that has beautiful fantasy-like emotion to it and such and I do not want anything in reality to interfere with it. Although there are people who do use inspiration from reality and use that to compose music, I am not this type of person at all. I can use my inspiration from fantasy to achieve greatness and success in life just as good (if not better) than those people who do with inspiration from reality. Therefore, this right here says that my personal delusions of grandeur through fantasy will not have negative consequences. Instead, it is the exact opposite and I will be a successful composer in life because of it.

I think that if you depend on becoming successful, you are gonna have a really big downtime if that does not happen. And nothing says it will happen. And that downtime is gonna affect other people, all those around you. It's not a sustainable way of thought, you have to think differently. Not focus on the goal, but the path, say that "I want to go in this direction", but not depend on reaching an exact goal that a lot of variables will depend on my success towards. Such a dependency is irrational.

You may find a fantasy world to be a good tool, but there are times and moments and circumstances for everything. You must be able to live a double-life. I do... I have my own fantasy world I have been writing and developing for many years, and I write the most fantastical pieces of writing, absurd stories, fantasy stories, epic stories... and so forth. And there are times for using those worlds, and there are times to be a human being (focus on ones terrestrial presence).

That's not delusions, of course it can become delusional when you can't separate those worlds, and that's bad, then you start to malfunction socially, but if you can keep them apart and use it as a tool, a mere utility, then there's nothing delusional about it.

[MozartLink]

Many people think that those who live in a fantasy world are somehow weak or useless to society, but this couldn't be further from the truth. I am using my "living in a fantasy world" mindset to compose music. Composing music is something that greatly contributes to society (even pieces of music that have fantasy-like emotion to them since even these types of music are honored by many people whether it just be instrumental or even with lyrics and such).

[The Voice of Time]

Many people think that those who live in a fantasy world are somehow weak or useless to society, but this couldn't be further from the truth. I am using my "living in a fantasy world" mindset to compose music. Composing music is something that greatly contributes to society (even pieces of music that have fantasy-like emotion to them since even these types of music are honored by many people whether it just be instrumental or even with lyrics and such).

As I said, yes. I think there are fewer people than you think who believe that, though. At least in 2014, where fantasy, sci-fi and all manner of fantastic things are part of the everyday life of very many people.