You See Your Life as an Eternal Progression or Regression?

[Bill Wiltrack]

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Do you see your life as a series of temporal optimal choices that lead to a meaning or purpose of your life,


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Do you see your life as an eternal funnel of little or no real choice in everyday living that really, in the end, means nothing outwardly anyway?



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[NielsBohr]

little or no real choice in everyday living that really, in the end, means nothing anyway?

-Hi Bill, I have to tell you that your are more philosopher than pretended of some other forum members.

I subtracted "outwardly" - choices are as the illusion in understanding mechanics, some notions created for some idiots.

-Nevertheless, I figure my live's evolution as a snail:

I were very pretentious in saying that it is an eternal progression.

All my youth, I believed that I had to maintain a straight line in front of me. This also was pretentious of me, to believe having even the ability of maintaining this.

Anyway, this above is not what God demand to us.

This is why I consider to follow as an alchemical way - equal to me as everyone is to himself - as a snail.

[attofishpi]

Have you ever considered that ALL of the souls of 'past' wo\men are being brought here to now...being reborn amongst us...as we are souls that have traversed and existed from the past?

Earth's population has bloomed into the present, do you not think that all our ancestors are here and now, amongst us?

Just a thought.

[NielsBohr]

Yes.

And maybe are we all the same, only the context making us different.

Maybe the time is only an illusion about the differences and about locations.

Maybe the Universe has no time as being "all", and if so: what is the case of God.

Only some thoughts.

[Blaggard]

Neither it is what it is.

Perhaps what is of more interest is how others see it...

[attofishpi]

Neither it is what it is.

Perhaps what is of more interest is how others see it..

I would agree...if iwas you (a short sighted atheist)

[henry quirk]

My attention is on the road in front of me, but I'm always mindful of the road behind me.

[NielsBohr]

Yes Henry,

This is always the tentation when we try to go straight forward, to have a "new" point of view in seeing backward.

[hammock]

Do you see your life as a series of temporal optimal choices that lead to a meaning or purpose of your life, or... Do you see your life as an eternal funnel of little or no real choice in everyday living that really, in the end, means nothing outwardly anyway?

Alas, old fatalist, they're just not the same.

Punch and Judy are heteronomous.

Klaus Barbie unfortunately autonomous.

With inner organs I'm likewise fit for blame.

Whether gold or dung at my rainbow's end

'Tis I who made the decision to be there, friend.

[Blaggard]

Neither it is what it is.

Perhaps what is of more interest is how others see it..

I would agree...if iwas you (a short sighted atheist)

Weak come back from a weak man methinks.

Now start again with something that means something, or don't that is up to you.

I am not an atheist I am an agnostic atheist, you need to read what people say without placing you value system on them by default, it will help much more than the odd judgement you seem to place on anyone who is not you. Place it as you might and as you will, but don't burden me with your non sequiturs, I am not at home to them/

[attofishpi]

Neither it is what it is.

Perhaps what is of more interest is how others see it..

I would agree...if iwas you (a short sighted atheist)

Weak come back from a weak man methinks.

Now start again with something that means something, or don't that is up to you.

I am not an atheist I am an agnostic atheist, you need to read what people say without placing you value system on them by default, it will help much more than the odd judgement you seem to place on anyone who is not you. Place it as you might and as you will, but don't burden me with your non sequiturs, I am not at home to them/

I see you have taken my statement perhaps as a personal attack on your ability to see clearly?
Good.

Being atheist or agnostic atheist makes no difference to my point, in that you and all that attribute themselves as such are pulling a veil over their eyes that is not permitting a comprehension as to the true nature of reality.
You appear to have an excellent understanding of physics, yet you still see bricks and not atoms, you still see atoms and not quarks...that your mind is amidst a vibrating field of energy that phycisists admit is more baffling the more is understood and yet you disregard an entire philosophical point of view...a POV where new paths of critical investigation should be taken.

NB:- To Blaggard, i would not have named you short-sighted if you at least just knocked the 'atheist' bit off and remained agnostic.

[Blaggard]

I see what I see, you see what you want to see. This troubles me.

I would of not of cared if you had knocked anything off, you see what you want, you believe only what you want, and it is a cognitive dissonance to only see what you want, to only say what you see is only what is. I see that as troubling.

It doesn't matter what I see obviously, but what you see, you clearly believe is absolute. That bothers me. It might no bother you or anyone else, but it is worrying considering all the people who have done that in the past, and FUBARed this world beyond reason.

People who have all the answers are wankers, let's not mince around. People who just know are wankers. People who are unsure however are at least honest.

In my experience and in histories experience I don't think - but correct me if I am wrong - anyone likes self satisfied proselytising wankers much.

"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one."

George Bernard Shaw

"The heretic is always better dead. And mortal eyes cannot distinguish the saint from the heretic."

George Bernard Shaw

Agnostic pi is sensible, atheist is an addendum by which you place sensible with a provisos of sense before you are convinced. I fail to see how that is unreasonable but such is I existence. I will if is all the same to you pray to gods or God, who can make sense to the masses, not to those who don't or might never do so. It seems expedient. Each to their own though.

[Arising_uk]

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Do you see your life as a series of temporal optimal choices that lead to a meaning or purpose of your life,

Then they cannot be optimal choices? For them to be optimal choices one has to already have a meaning of purpose in ones life otherwise one cannot choose what is optimal. Do you mean that if one has no meaning or purpose in life one could look back upon the choices one made and discern a subconscious meaning or purpose to ones life? If so, sure I guess so but then to truly discern this way you'd have to wait until one was dying and that all seems a bit pointless. What one could do is stop worrying about the idea of a greater meaning or purpose to ones life and just get on with the little purposes.

Do you see your life as an eternal funnel of little or no real choice in everyday living that really, in the end, means nothing outwardly anyway?

No idea what this "... means nothing outwardly ..." means? But I would imagine that such a person would be extremely happy as they have no choices to make and in the end its all means nothing so nothing to worry about.

[Bill Wiltrack]

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By, series of optimal choices I meant simple everyday choices that we make hundreds of times a day; Choosing a cup of coffee instead of tea, choosing not to pick-up another cigarette if we have chosen not to continue smoking, choosing a walk instead of sitting still, reading a book by a philosopher instead of reading a book on power tools. The series of simple preferred optimal choices that we constantly make that forms our life of tiny likes & dislikes; tiny wins & losses.



Means nothing outwardly is kind-of straight forward. There is an outer you and an inner you. The outer you is visible in this outer multidimensional continuum and the inner you contains your inner narration; inner spaces. Like when you take a hit off a cigarette, this can be viewed in the outer world but you feel the experience of the nicotine and other chemicals in your inner space.




Thank you for interacting. Good questions.



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[Arising_uk]

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By, series of optimal choices I meant simple everyday choices that we make hundreds of times a day; Choosing a cup of coffee instead of tea, choosing not to pick-up another cigarette if we have chosen not to continue smoking, choosing a walk instead of sitting still, reading a book by a philosopher instead of reading a book on power tools. The series of simple preferred optimal choices that we constantly make that forms our life of tiny likes & dislikes; tiny wins & losses.

So how do these make a meaning of ones life? How are they 'optimal' if one has no purpose or meaning to judge by, given you're saying that its these choices that give the meaning?

Means nothing outwardly is kind-of straight forward. There is an outer you and an inner you. The outer you is visible in this outer multidimensional continuum and the inner you contains your inner narration; inner spaces. Like when you take a hit off a cigarette, this can be viewed in the outer world but you feel the experience of the nicotine and other chemicals in your inner space.

But these things mean many things outwardly, one may not like the meaning but thats because its the others judgement. So how can they mean nothing outwardly?