This has to Stop

[reasonvemotion]

http://asiaforanimals.com/coalition-voi ... -21st-june

[Blaggard]

I agree the way it is carried out is inhumane and wrong.

That said the same could of been said for pigs and sheep and cows 20 years ago, and could still be said now for many farming practices; so stop, or should it be properly regulated, after all a dog is an animal like a cow, and a sheep and a pig. If you are going to farm animals for food though you are right it should be done in the most human way possible, but they are all animals.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

I agree the way it is carried out is inhumane and wrong.
I can't watch videos of animal cruelty, but I can imagine what it contained after your comment.
That said the same could of been said for pigs and sheep and cows 20 years ago, and could still be said now for many farming practices; so stop, or should it be properly regulated, after all a dog is an animal like a cow, and a sheep and a pig. If you are going to farm animals for food though you are right it should be done in the most human way possible, but they are all animals.

It's not quite the same. The dog/human relationship is unique in that dogs evolved alongside human society as companions. They understand us better than any other animal. This has been shown in experiments to see how well they can read our facial expressions and body language. They were never bred as a food source. There is a reason why most people find the thought of eating them abhorrent. Humans are animals too. I wouldn't eat one.
Even so, all cruelty to animals is despicable. There is no reason to make any farm animals suffer. There are ways of killing without any suffering at all, but the industry chooses to not use them.

[Blaggard]

So a dog has more value than another animal because it is loved and understands us. What a crock o' shit. The French eat horse meat, do you think that makes the French evil? Do you think they should not of bred animals for food because they sat on them or got paly with them?

I agree with your latter sentiment but valuing life in the way you do seems morally abhorrent to me, might as well say snakes and spiders are evil but dogs are good, why the hell would you do that.?

Dog's have been bred as a food source in Eastern countries as long as we have bred sheep. And even if they weren't your argument makes no sense.

I think if we bred an animal to be eaten we should eat it, the only thing that matters is the lack of cruelty in the process. Aww bless dogs are cute and are our friends, but sheep are not, let's treat sheep worse. Do you see what I mean?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_meat

You should probably know the history of farming animals before you put values over animals I think, it's not a wise move to elevate animals on the basis of your own personal prejudices.

Ancient Mexico

In the time of the Aztec Empire in what is now central Mexico, Mexican Hairless Dogs were bred, among other purposes,[21] for their meat. Hernán Cortés reported when he arrived in Tenochtitlan in 1519, "small gelded dogs which they breed for eating" were among the goods sold in the city markets.[22] These dogs, Xoloitzcuintles, were often depicted in pre-Columbian Mexican pottery. The breed was almost extinct in the 1940s, but the British Military Attaché in Mexico City, Norman Wright, developed a thriving breed from some of the dogs he found in remote villages.[23]...[]

Dog meat (Chinese: 狗肉; pinyin: gǒu ròu) has been a source of food in some areas of China from around 500 BC, and possibly even earlier. Researchers in the Royal University of Technology theorized that wolves in southern China may have been domesticated as a source of meat.[43] Mencius, the philosopher, talked about dog meat as being an edible, dietary meat.[44] Dog meat is sometimes euphemistically called "fragrant meat" (香肉 xiāng ròu) or "mutton of the earth" (地羊 dì yáng) in Mandarin Chinese and "3–6 fragrant meat" (Chinese: 三六香肉; Cantonese Yale: sàam luhk hèung yuhk) in Cantonese (3 plus 6 is 9 and the words "nine" and "dog" are homophones, both pronounced gáu in Cantonese. In Mandarin, "nine" and "dog" are pronounced differently)...[]

...[]The consumption of dog meat is not a feature of modern Japanese culture. Dog meat was consumed in Japan until 675 A.D., when Emperor Temmu decreed a prohibition on its consumption during the 4th–9th months of the year.[77] According to Meisan Shojiki Ōrai (名産諸色往来) published in 1760, the meat of wild dog was sold along with boar, deer, fox, wolf, bear, raccoon dog, otter, weasel and cat in some regions of Edo.[78] Ōta Nampo recorded witnessing puppies being eaten in Satsuma Province in a dish called Enokoro Meshi (えのころ飯). In 2008, Japan imported 5 tons of dog meat from China compared to 4,714 tons of beef, 14,340 tons of pork and 115,882 tons of poultry.[7]

Personally I Think the consumption of dog meat is no different from the consumption of any other animal that is farmed or has been, but there is a view that it should not be eaten that has been foisted upon the rest of the world. Which is fine but if you are going to eat anything: farm it humanely is of course the key.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

So a dog has more value than another animal because it is loved and understands us. What a crock o' shit. The French eat horse meat, do you think that makes the French evil? Do you think they should not of bred animals for food because they sat on them or got paly with them?

I agree with your latter sentiment but valuing life in the way you do seems morally abhorrent to me, might as well say snakes and spiders are evil but dogs are good, why the hell would you do that.?

Dog's have been bred as a food source in Eastern countries as long as we have bred sheep. And even if they weren't your argument makes no sense.

I think if we bred an animal to be eaten we should eat it, the only thing that matters is the lack of cruelty in the process. Aww bless dogs are cute and are our friends, but sheep are not, let's treat sheep worse. Do you see what I mean?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_meat

You should probably know the history of farming animals before you put values over animals I think, it's not a wise move to elevate animals on the basis of your own personal prejudices.

Ancient Mexico

In the time of the Aztec Empire in what is now central Mexico, Mexican Hairless Dogs were bred, among other purposes,[21] for their meat. Hernán Cortés reported when he arrived in Tenochtitlan in 1519, "small gelded dogs which they breed for eating" were among the goods sold in the city markets.[22] These dogs, Xoloitzcuintles, were often depicted in pre-Columbian Mexican pottery. The breed was almost extinct in the 1940s, but the British Military Attaché in Mexico City, Norman Wright, developed a thriving breed from some of the dogs he found in remote villages.[23]...[]

Dog meat (Chinese: 狗肉; pinyin: gǒu ròu) has been a source of food in some areas of China from around 500 BC, and possibly even earlier. Researchers in the Royal University of Technology theorized that wolves in southern China may have been domesticated as a source of meat.[43] Mencius, the philosopher, talked about dog meat as being an edible, dietary meat.[44] Dog meat is sometimes euphemistically called "fragrant meat" (香肉 xiāng ròu) or "mutton of the earth" (地羊 dì yáng) in Mandarin Chinese and "3–6 fragrant meat" (Chinese: 三六香肉; Cantonese Yale: sàam luhk hèung yuhk) in Cantonese (3 plus 6 is 9 and the words "nine" and "dog" are homophones, both pronounced gáu in Cantonese. In Mandarin, "nine" and "dog" are pronounced differently)...[]

...[]The consumption of dog meat is not a feature of modern Japanese culture. Dog meat was consumed in Japan until 675 A.D., when Emperor Temmu decreed a prohibition on its consumption during the 4th–9th months of the year.[77] According to Meisan Shojiki Ōrai (名産諸色往来) published in 1760, the meat of wild dog was sold along with boar, deer, fox, wolf, bear, raccoon dog, otter, weasel and cat in some regions of Edo.[78] Ōta Nampo recorded witnessing puppies being eaten in Satsuma Province in a dish called Enokoro Meshi (えのころ飯). In 2008, Japan imported 5 tons of dog meat from China compared to 4,714 tons of beef, 14,340 tons of pork and 115,882 tons of poultry.[7]

Personally I Think the consumption of dog meat is no different from the consumption of any other animal that is farmed or has been, but there is a view that it should not be eaten that has been foisted upon the rest of the world. Which is fine but if you are going to eat anything: farm it humanely is of course the key.

That's your opinion. I don't share it, but I have no taste for arguing with someone who always resorts to insults when anyone disagrees with him. Humans are animals too. Perhaps we could solve our over-population problem by eating each other, after all, it's no different from killing an ant. It reminds me of the Japanese man justifying murdering whales by saying it's no different from killing a fish. How do you argue with that? If you have to explain that to someone then what's the point? Asians will eat anything, dead or alive.

[Blaggard]

In what way did I insult you, please do tell me. Because I thought I didn't but you seem to think I did, so I would be glad to know where and when I did.

I don't care if you disagree, or not, what I do care about is logical consistency: you value animals on some sort of heirarchy on what you find most cute and loveable and bless. Why? What sort of person would love animals at all if all they were doing was basing it on whatever was the cuddliest little bunny, what sort of value is that, let's save the cute Tigers 'cause they is all lovely, but let's not save any other animal because they looks mean and they don't like us and shiz, it's like the philosophy of a person who places aesthetics over actual value, a sort of mediocre hierarchy based on who is the most cuddliest out of 10 and snuggly, do you see what I mean, awwww bless bunnies is cute, we shouldn't hurt fluffy bunnies, but we bloody do we eat them all the time, youre talking shit. Yeah I realise that is apparently an insult even though it's just an argument, sue me. But I will ask again why are dogs more valuable? Why is any animal of value more than another to you, is it the snuggly wuggly factor or do you actually care about animals at all?

[vegetariantaxidermy]

In what way did I insult you, please do tell me. Because I thought I didn't but you seem to think I did, so I would be glad to know where and when I did.

I don't care if you disagree, or not, what I do care about is logical consistency you value animals on some sort of heirarchy on what you find most cute and loveable and bless. Why? What sort of person would love animals at all if all they were doing was basing it on whatever was the cuddliest little bunny, what sort of value is that, let's save the cute Tigers 'cause they si all lovely, but let's not save any other animal because they looks mean, it's liek the philsoophy of a person who places aesthetics over actual value. YEah I realise that is apparently an insult even though it's just an argument, fucking sue me.

'Personal prejudices' (making assumptions about me). My opinion is 'morally abhorrent'. You can say those things without being so dogmatic and aggressive about it. It reminds me of when 9/11 happened and some people said 'what's the fuss about? People are being killed all over the world'. I mean, there's no arguing with that, because I suppose technically it's true. Either people care about things or they don't.

[Blaggard]

In what way did I insult you, please do tell me. Because I thought I didn't but you seem to think I did, so I would be glad to know where and when I did.

I don't care if you disagree, or not, what I do care about is logical consistency you value animals on some sort of heirarchy on what you find most cute and loveable and bless. Why? What sort of person would love animals at all if all they were doing was basing it on whatever was the cuddliest little bunny, what sort of value is that, let's save the cute Tigers 'cause they si all lovely, but let's not save any other animal because they looks mean, it's liek the philsoophy of a person who places aesthetics over actual value. YEah I realise that is apparently an insult even though it's just an argument, fucking sue me.

'Personal prejudices' (making assumptions about me). My opinion is 'morally abhorrent'. You can say those things without being so dogmatic and aggressive about it. It reminds me of when 9/11 happened and some people said 'what's the fuss about? People are being killed all over the world'. I mean, there's no arguing with that, because I suppose technically it's true. Either people care about things or they don't.

Oh go cry some more, and when you have finished whining answer the points or don't I personally couldn't give a shit for your faux crying. Shezus people do like to avoid answering good points by pretending to be offended when they aren't even remotely so they can just sidestep any decent points. Yeah whatever, just don't bother posting is my advice, if you don't want an adult converswation don't throw your toys out of your pram every time bad man makes an argument because you is all hurty.

There's no point in arguing with your value system, well I beg to differ if you have respect for any life at all you can't just place it in terms of snugglyness and loveliness, it's clown shoes. You either value animals or you don't. You clearly only value the wubberly cute ones because they is oh so sweetness and bless.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

Or the Japanese man who said killing whales is no diffferent from killing a fish. Technically true I guess, except that whales have close knit family groups, their own language and culture, high intelligence..... No point in arguing with someone who thinks like that.

[Blaggard]

Hitler was a vegetarian and an animal lover, do you think you might make some sense at some point? Or are you just going to avoid any points with wild tangents?

Neatly ducked but I think you're fooling no one with this faux style.

Killing animals inhumanely. It was the point if you could return to it without widely throwing out nonsense, it would be nice, but meh, that's up to you I suppose.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

LOL. I was going to go on but you just invoked Godwin's law. Very convenient, because I have lots to do and this is such a damn time absorber. Animal ethics is a very interesting topic. Peter Singer is a good person to read up on. I'll get back to it.

[Sappho de Miranda]

I agree the way it is carried out is inhumane and wrong.
I can't watch videos of animal cruelty, but I can imagine what it contained after your comment.
That said the same could of been said for pigs and sheep and cows 20 years ago, and could still be said now for many farming practices; so stop, or should it be properly regulated, after all a dog is an animal like a cow, and a sheep and a pig. If you are going to farm animals for food though you are right it should be done in the most human way possible, but they are all animals.

It's not quite the same. The dog/human relationship is unique in that dogs evolved alongside human society as companions. They understand us better than any other animal. This has been shown in experiments to see how well they can read our facial expressions and body language. They were never bred as a food source. There is a reason why most people find the thought of eating them abhorrent. Humans are animals too. I wouldn't eat one.
Even so, all cruelty to animals is despicable. There is no reason to make any farm animals suffer. There are ways of killing without any suffering at all, but the industry chooses to not use them.

Why I wonder? Economics most likely. How many people would prefer to pay more for their meat, if they knew the animal had a quality life (so, ensuring the animal is provided the needs of its species such as pecking, grazing etc from birth to death, irrespective of the life span entailed... And, a quick painless death.

The meat would taste better and the animal given a life of less suffering and increased contentment.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

I agree the way it is carried out is inhumane and wrong.
I can't watch videos of animal cruelty, but I can imagine what it contained after your comment.
That said the same could of been said for pigs and sheep and cows 20 years ago, and could still be said now for many farming practices; so stop, or should it be properly regulated, after all a dog is an animal like a cow, and a sheep and a pig. If you are going to farm animals for food though you are right it should be done in the most human way possible, but they are all animals.

It's not quite the same. The dog/human relationship is unique in that dogs evolved alongside human society as companions. They understand us better than any other animal. This has been shown in experiments to see how well they can read our facial expressions and body language. They were never bred as a food source. There is a reason why most people find the thought of eating them abhorrent. Humans are animals too. I wouldn't eat one.
Even so, all cruelty to animals is despicable. There is no reason to make any farm animals suffer. There are ways of killing without any suffering at all, but the industry chooses to not use them.

Why I wonder? Economics most likely. How many people would prefer to pay more for their meat, if they knew the animal had a quality life (so, ensuring the animal is provided the needs of its species such as pecking, grazing etc from birth to death, irrespective of the life span entailed... And, a quick painless death.

The meat would taste better and the animal given a life of less suffering and increased contentment.

I don't understand it either. There is an excellent Horizon documentary called 'How to kill a human'. It found that there is a very cheap gas that will kill individuals or multiple animals quickly and painlessly. The worst side effect is a feeling of euphoria before death. The animals need not have an inkling of what is about to happen to them. The trouble is it wouldn't satisfy muslims and that's where economics comes in. Muslims require the bleeding of the animal while it's still alive. Superstition shouldn't come into it when it comes to animal welfare.

[Sappho de Miranda]

It's not just Islam that require religious killings. Judaism and Voodooism are no different, ass examples. It's the need for religious killings that is archaic in thought and deed given the animal suffering entailed.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

It's not just Islam that require religious killings. Judaism and Voodooism are no different, ass examples. It's the need for religious killings that is archaic in thought and deed given the animal suffering entailed.

As far as economics go halal killing is huge business since there are 1.6 billion muslims in the world, or 23% of the world's population. Of course you are right though-- it's all archaic, superstious rubbish which shouldn't even be considered when it comes to animals suffering.