Challenge me, theists!~

[Arising_uk]

You really should direct the rest of your limited existence concentrating on the thing that thus far has alluded you, rather than attempting to belittle the little you comprehend of """IT"""

(Arising_uk that includes the nature of REAL_IT_Y )

I don't comprehend even a little of 'it' as I think 'it' a fantasy used as a psychological prop for the weak and feeble mind in the face of ones limited existence, that and that its also a useful tool for the powerful to control the masses. As such I'll spend the rest of my limited existence concentrating upon things that matter to me rather than waste it with a religious metaphysics that my study of philosophy has shown to be of little explanation for things.

[attofishpi]

If the Bible is not the pedantic word of 'God' then what is it?

Ooo that's a very good question.

If one had a bible to sell...would you buy it?

Would you buy bull?

God is a pig fucker that is testing us all to see how much from that pile of bull we accept reject or adhere to.

God to me is like an AI - its so instantaneous.
SIN_AI.
REAL_IT_Y.
brITain
BR_it_AIN
BRAIN

Its what we evolved into...perhaps the sage is just some twat among twats that have access to the AI.

[attofishpi]

mmm goodnight

[Arising_uk]

Ooo that's a very good question.

If one had a bible to sell...would you buy it?

Already own one thanks.

Would you buy bull?

If I was a dairy farmer, sure.

God is a pig fucker that is testing us all to see how much from that pile of bull we accept reject or adhere to.

I thought beastiality forbidden? Are you saying 'God' does not obey 'its' own commandments?

God to me is like an AI - its so instantaneous.

There is no AI.

SIN_AI.
REAL_IT_Y.
brITain
BR_it_AIN
BRAIN

Can you do all this in Hebrew or Aramaic? Or is 'God' an Englishmen as the English have long claimed.

Its what we evolved into...perhaps the sage is just some twat among twats that have access to the AI.

What 'sage'?

I think any access to the 'machine' will be achieved via science, reason and experiment, not wishful metaphysical thinking.

[henry quirk]

God equals Santa equals fiction.

A sweet distraction for kids; an annoying one for grownups.

[Sappho de Miranda]

Would you conform and label it God?

Nah! I'd label 'it' godlike and I'd still not conform unless 'it' gave me a good reason to do so.

10 commandments and a covenant not good enough for you?

I sa

I had always thought that that which can create something from nothing is the very essence of what defines a god. But Arising UK would suggest that it is merely godlike if it is that the supernatural being is responsible for you, but not the universe. Dare I ask why is it merely godlike when it can Create?

Also, the ten commandments is a reference to Jewish Religion and not Christian Religion. Of commandments the alleged Nazarene who was a Rabbi btw, in Matthew claimed.... ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

[reasonvemotion]

Sappho de Miranda wrote:

Also, the ten commandments is a reference to Jewish Religion and not Christian Religion. Of commandments the alleged Nazarene who was a Rabbi btw, in Matthew claimed.... ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

All the ten commandments were preached by all the apostles in the New Testament, every one of them.

Matthew 5:19

Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

[Sappho de Miranda]

Sappho de Miranda wrote:

Also, the ten commandments is a reference to Jewish Religion and not Christian Religion. Of commandments the alleged Nazarene who was a Rabbi btw, in Matthew claimed.... ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

All the ten commandments were preached by all the apostles in the New Testament, every one of them.

Matthew 5:19
Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

[quote="Matthew 22:36-40
New International Version (NIV")"]36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”[/quote]

Christ, the son of God trumps His disciples

That is also the origin of the neighborhood principle of Common Law, first used in Donoghue v Stevenson (Waiter! There is a snail in my Ginger Beer).

[reasonvemotion]

Sappho de Miranda wrote:

Matthew 22:36-40
New International Version (NIV") wrote:
36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”


Christ, the son of God trumps His disciples

That is also the origin of the neighborhood principle of Common Law, first used in Donoghue v Stevenson (Waiter! There is a snail in my Ginger Beer).

The great principles of God's law are expressed in the Ten Commandments, encapsulating love, will, and purposes concerning human conduct and relationships and are binding upon all people in every age, it develops character and results in a sense of well-being. Bible passages: Matthew 22:36-40: Matthew 5:17-20. Psalm 40:7 8. However, we see what we want to see, we listen to who we want to listen to.

"More and more, the strongest atheist voices are talking about nonbelief less as an end in itself, but as part of a larger conversation about social justice. It could hardly be any other way: atheism is growing not only in numbers, but in diversity. When Dawkins, and Hitchens were at their most prominent, a frequent (and credible) criticism was that the faces of atheism were all white, male and affluent. To make the same claim now is to deliberately ignore some of the most vital atheist and skeptic voices that have emerged in the last 10 years.

Greta Christina, the author of Coming Out Atheist describes the changes in organized atheism: “[T]he movement has become much more diverse — not just in the obvious ways of gender, race, and so on, but simply in terms of how many viewpoints are coming to the table. The sheer number of people who are seen in some way as leaders… has gone up significantly…. And the increasing diversity in gender, race, class, and so on are important. We have a long way to go in this regard, but we’re doing much, much better than we were. And that’s showing up in our leadership. It’s absurd to see Dawkins, and Hitchens as representing all organized atheism — it always was a little absurd, but it’s seriously absurd now.” Article in Salon.

Now it’s easy and confidential to sit quietly at home and browse sites that disagree vociferously with all kinds of ideas, I can comfortably read about what Baptists and Catholics think, and believers can quickly find atheists expressing themselves. And in a fair and open exchange of ideas, atheism routinely wins the minds (if not the hearts) of citizens.

I am confident that you can expect the trend of declining religiosity to continue for many years to come, he said.

PZ Myers is a professor of biology at the University of Minnesota, Morris. He was named Humanist of the Year in 2009 by the American Humanist Association and received the International Humanist Award in 2011 from the International Humanist and Ethical Union. His book, The Happy Atheist.
Time Magazine.

"And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ."-Revelation 12:17.

In Scripture, the "remnant" is defined as those who remain, that is the meaning of the Greek word, loipoi

[Sappho de Miranda]

The great principles of God's law are expressed in the Ten Commandments, encapsulating love, will, and purposes concerning human conduct and relationships and are binding upon all people in every age, it develops character and results in a sense of well-being. Bible passages: Matthew 22:36-40: Matthew 5:17-20. Psalm 40:7 8. However, we see what we want to see, we listen to who we want to listen to.

That is pre-christian thinking. Christian thinking is about love... Love for your God and love for your God's creations. And I think that this religion of love is best expressed by the Nun St Therese and her book 'The Little Way' which provides practical, everyday anecdotes on how to live with love and through love, to know the holiness of existence.

St. Therese translated "the little way" in terms of a commitment to the tasks and to the people we meet in our everyday lives. She took her assignments in the convent of Lisieux as ways of manifesting her love for God and for others. She worked as a sacristan by taking care of the altar and the chapel; she served in the refectory and in the laundry room; she wrote plays for the entertainment of the community. Above all, she tried to show a love for all the nuns in the community. She played no favorites; she gave of herself even to the difficult members. Her life sounds so routine and ordinary, but it was steeped in a loving commitment that knew no breakdown. It is called a little way precisely by being simple, direct, yet calling for amazing fortitude and commitment.

In living out her life of faith she sensed that everything that she was able to accomplish came from a generous love of God in her life. She was convinced that at the end of her life she would go to God with empty hands. Why? Because all was accomplished in union with God.

Catholics and other Christians have been attracted to St. Thereses style. Her little way seems to put holiness of life within the reach of ordinary people. Live out your days with confidence in Gods love for you. Recognize that each day is a gift in which your life can make a difference by the way you choose to live it. Put hope in a future in which god will be all and love will consume your spirit. Choose life, not the darkness of pettiness and greed. St. Therese knew the difference love makes by allowing love to be the statement she made each day of her life.
Society of the Little Flower
The Little Way of St Thérèse of Lisieux

Dare I say it.... Christians and Christianity has lost its 'Little Way' and forgotten the words and deeds of Christ as examples to which they should strive.

"More and more, the strongest atheist voices are talking about nonbelief less as an end in itself, but as part of a larger conversation about social justice. It could hardly be any other way: atheism is growing not only in numbers, but in diversity. When Dawkins, and Hitchens were at their most prominent, a frequent (and credible) criticism was that the faces of atheism were all white, male and affluent. To make the same claim now is to deliberately ignore some of the most vital atheist and skeptic voices that have emerged in the last 10 years.

Greta Christina, the author of Coming Out Atheist describes the changes in organized atheism: “[T]he movement has become much more diverse — not just in the obvious ways of gender, race, and so on, but simply in terms of how many viewpoints are coming to the table. The sheer number of people who are seen in some way as leaders… has gone up significantly…. And the increasing diversity in gender, race, class, and so on are important. We have a long way to go in this regard, but we’re doing much, much better than we were. And that’s showing up in our leadership. It’s absurd to see Dawkins, and Hitchens as representing all organized atheism — it always was a little absurd, but it’s seriously absurd now.” Article in Salon.

There are Atheist of many kinds and Anti-theists. As an Atheist, I do not identify as an Anti-theist. For me, I am in the purist sense of the word, without theism. And to be without theism is not an end in itself, nor has it ever been and nor should it ever be. To declare that a person is without theism necessarily entails a re-evaluation of the oldest of moral questions; What is the good life and how can I achieve same? For me, the answers are not found in Theism, rather they are found in philosophy and more personally in Epicurus and his rather compelling thoughts on Hedonism, which is, in its purist sense the idea that we should act in this world to reduce suffering and increase contentment. I live this creed to the best of my ability and in the main has resulted in, for me at least, a good life.

Theist on the other hand have many rules to which they must follow in order to achieve the good life. Theism comes as a complete set of rules and it is the culmination of those rules to which the good life will follow. The difficult here is that many theist don't even know what those rules are, let alone follow those rules, preferring instead to hold a belief in god as if that is all there is to it... and it is not.

Christianity simplified Theism by giving to Christians a simple rule not unlike Hedonism... but they do their utmost to avoid that simple rule, the rule of love, preferring to complicate matters. As a result... the beauty of Christianity becomes a rather ugly thing and Christians are no longer recognizable as Christians... looking rather like Materialistic, greedy, self-centred heathens.

I am confident that you can expect the trend of declining religiosity to continue for many years to come, he said.

I agree. But sadly, I also acknowledge that not everyone is able to make for themselves their own moral life. People... better understood as sheeple prefer to follow the leader and where there is no lead to follow, the sheeple will fall into a complex, difficult and rather amoral life. Just look now at your reference to the movement within Atheism towards Justice based ethics, with is firmly based upon individual rights. Well that's all fine and well, but without the will to honor those rights with their complimentary duties/ obligations... there are no rights except for those who can afford to access the law to exact those rights. More detrimental still is that those rights must be enshrined in law... and the more laws created, the less free the society becomes.

[NielsBohr]

Challenge me, theists!

Debate me about your "god"!

Either the title is false, or the content...

If you want to be challenged, this is to you to expose your principles,

or if you want to ask to theists, this is you, who challenge us.

viewtopic.php?f=11&t=13579

[WanderingLands]

Challenge me, theists!

Debate me about your "god"!

Either the title is false, or the content...

If you want to be challenged, this is to you to expose your principles,

or if you want to ask to theists, this is you, who challenge us.

viewtopic.php?f=11&t=13579

Hey Niels, Kuznetzova isn't able to answer you because he was banned a while ago over some drama about pedophilia with along with another person. Just to let you know.

[NielsBohr]

Oh,

this is tragic.

It was overall to let see to Blaggard that the "challenging" about faith was often in both of directions (not only from theist to atheists).

Thank you for your information.

[henry quirk]

"Kuznetzova isn't able to answer you because he was banned a while ago over some drama about pedophilia with along with another person. Just to let you know."

More accurately: K was booted cuz he 'is' a pedophile who looked to promote his degeneracy in-forum.

His absence is anything but "tragic" (more a cause for celebration, I think).