what makes history happen the way it does

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jackles
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what makes history happen the way it does

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does the individual no matter how insignificant change history just by existing in the event.
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jackles wrote:does the individual no matter how insignificant change history just by existing in the event.

Depends who you ask jackles.

From Hegel's point of view we can talk about a collective consciousness or culture having the ability to change history. The ability to change history is not attributed directly to individual input, rather it comes about in an indirect way.Spirit or mind is a name Hegel uses to explain his idea of collective consciousness that drives history forward.Hegel explains this process in the form of a dialectic expressed in terms of thesis, antithesis and synthesis (new thesis).

One needs examine a full account of Hegel because he is very easy to misinterpret.
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jackles wrote:does the individual no matter how insignificant change history just by existing in the event.
the scope of the history belies the significance...

then again, one doesn't exist in history...

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jackles wrote:does the individual no matter how insignificant change history just by existing in the event.
There is no history to change, just to make.
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jackles wrote:does the individual no matter how insignificant change history just by existing in the event.
Do you mean contribute to the future, instead, which would then be a trivial observation? Although history concerns the past, in the context of a "block-universe" I myself occasionally deviate by referring to the whole past-future timeline of the cosmos as its "history". But otherwise, your present self literally changing a past occurrence would require near impossible time-travel. Unless you can either construe or vandalize John Cramer's transactional interpretation of QM into some non-asymmetrical scenario where past / future events are interdependent upon each other via information relations being aimed in both "directions". Vaguely seems like one of those old hippie physicists (Fred Allan Wolf?) may have did that, conceiving spacetime as a not entirely static or unchanging framework which fell out of "forward" and "backward" waves interfering with each other. You know, that green Martian fur growing out Jimmy Hendrix's guitar, LSD stuff.
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lets not add fury trimmings on to alan wolfs physics. einstein was pretty freaky to .
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Hegel :) reason thinking itself moves history (time) forward.

Very briefly,
I rely on Hegel. Basically I claim that reason/consciousness is outside computation but it performs computations in the faculty of understanding (intellect). The understanding is the grid of cells. Reason in both Kant and Hegel is characterized as providing greatest possible systematic unity to our knowledge. That is, we understand things in the intellect, but reason allows to view the Universe as a single whole with systematic unity. This makes science possible for humans since for science to be possible we need to view the Universe as a single system. Hegel claims that reason is characterized by ''the Idea''. Kant claimed that reason has 3 ideas: the world as a whole, God, soul. Hegel argued that those 3 are merely an aspect of 1 ''the Idea''. The Idea of the Absolute. The Ideas of reason cannot be given in experience but they are necessary conditions to our make experience possible. Without them we could not see the Universe as a single whole. This is what makes science, philosophy, language, morality etc. possible. Animals can have intellect but they do not have reason.
I claim that reason is dialectic by nature, i.e. contradictory. This is the nature of Godel's incompleteness. That is, the intellect is the framework where reason computes its thoughts by combining cells (logical atoms). We can understand the objects in the Universe (objects of experience) 100% completely. Therefore reason is contradictory [inconsistent], dialectic. Reason forms algorithms through which it computes thoughts in the intellect (grid of cells). So basically the intellect is the framework where reason computes. Axioms are truths about the grid of cells (the intellect). If you have a complete axiomatic system it is inconsistent. This is reason which creates the axioms of the intellect. We understand only those things which can be computed in the intellect by reason, that is objects of our experience. Intellect describes and operates on the pure forms of space and time. If we apply intellect to the ideas of reason we arrive at contradictions. That is, reason thinking itself arrives at contradictions. These contradictions is the nature of Hegelian dialectic. The Universe starts as reason/consciousness thinking itself, arriving at contradictions, solving them (thesis-antithesis-synthesis), getting new contradictions, solving them... until it finally achieves the final synthesis, what Hegel called the Absolute Idea. That is, humans finally understanding the Universe completely. I.e. We arrive at Theory of Everything. This is equivalent to universal consciousness knowing itself completely. Since this Universal Consciousness is the Absolute, the humanity comes to know the Absolute. I.e. The Absolute achieving full self-consciousness. This is the Kingdom of God on earth, the times of rational freedom.
This is indeed similar to religions, but as I said I rely on Hegel not religions. In my paper I claim that all ancient knowledge was created in the first ages of human self-consciousness. Since the most primitive systematic knowledge is also the most fundamental. It is no suprise that modern physics mimics ancient metaphysics. Because the Universe is fundamentally thoughts. Ancients simply had not so much complexity in their knowledge as we do that's why they developed the simplest systems, which is also the most fundamental. Religions evolved from them. I am pan-en-theist.

No human built computer can imitate the faculty of reason, i.e. consciousness. What computers do is imitate the intellect.

I claim that the grid of cells is our intellect. That is, absolutely all our theories rely on this structure and speak about it!


My work is indeed can be seen from the perspective of Orch-OR.
I claim that gravity arises from the rate of information processing. That is, time is reason processing information, while space is the medium where information is processed. The Universe as a whole runs Hegelian dialectic as a program.

I am not proving God. It is impossible to prove or disprove him. However, the Idea of reason is what makes greatest systematic unity possible and which gives unity to our thoughts about the Universe (to our intellect). The Idea is only the Idea. It is a matter of faith if you believe in an object (God) corresponding to it.
Faith is an act of reason, not the intellect. Authentic faith is ''the Idea'' getting to know itself. Because through the intellect we cannot know God, soul, the Universe (as a whole). Through the intellect we know only what appears in space and time, that is objects in the Universe.
This is very briefly. For more look at my paper.
I honestly believe that German Idealism (especially Hegel) is the way for modern science to solve problems. In general I think that Hegel is the top of continental philosophy, though his system is further development of Kant.
https://www.academia.edu/7347240/Our_Co ... _Dialectic
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thats all very well but at some point you must explain how the inside and the out side meet in indistinguishability to one another.thats is in terms of inside and outside the brain.the brain has to some how be a mixture of locality and nonlocality to contain the event and yet remain detached and independent of its self.nonlocality equals no thing.
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