Overlooked History

[WanderingLands]

I'm going to start a new thread that is dedicated mainly to overlooked or suppressed facts that have never been brought up in history. In kickstarting this forum, I would like to present you the actual origins of where the "Pythagorean Theorem" had came from. The "Pythagorean Theorem" actually did not come from the Greek philosopher and mathematician Pythagoras, but actually had came from an Ancient Indian mathematician named Baudhāyana, who laid out the calculation of the Theorem in his work, Baudhāyana Śulbasûtra.

http://www.hinduisminfo.com/2009/01/ind ... eorem.html

[Arising_uk]

Please, spare us!

Two things really, no three. One, your conspiracy theory of everything is leading you to confirmation bias in your research and blinding you to obvious propaganda, in this case Hindu. Two, given what Maths is its not beyond the understanding that mathematical theorems can be discovered independently at different times and in different places, we have already have an example with Newton and Leibniz. Three, don't accept things on face value do your research - http://www.geom.uiuc.edu/~demo5337/Group3/hist.html
So looks like the idea has been around for 4000 odd years.
Oh! Four, if its never been brought up in history then how do you know about it?

[WanderingLands]

Here are some more interesting information that I have encountered.

When I was exploring this website called Gnostic Liberation Front, I have encountered some very interesting information, which is called "New Tradition". This very obscured field of research consists of examining ancient history and the problems of the construction of ancient and early modern history, which I believe is also called "New Chronology". "New Tradition" goes into the critique of how historical data was dated and its supposed inadequacies of it, and when you start progressing to other parts, you reach some excerpts from a very interesting book entitled, "The Medieval Empire of the Israelites". I haven't bought the whole book because it's around $600, at least if you were to search on Amazon, but it seems to raise questions about the origins of the Jewish religion and its nationalism that pervades today under the banner of Zionism and the State of Israel.

http://www.gnosticliberationfront.com/N ... dition.htm

When I looked into "New Chronology", which seems to be a larger part of "New Tradition", I encountered a Wikipedia article that says that it was "fringe theory" that's, of course, said to be disproven by archaeology and history which claims to confirm the constructed history that is commonly taught in our educational institutions. I am not an archaeologist, and I am only starting to start out as a historian and researcher in a more deeper way than just reading off of mainstream conspiracy sites; but looking at that previous article about the so called "Pythagorean Theorem" from the last post on this thread, along with other lookings into questioning archeology and history, I think that the "New Chronology" research might raise some questions and maybe share some answers about some things of which many have been curious of.

Anyhow, the website that is promoting this information is called the Gnostic Liberation Front. It is, for me, very deep and interesting stuff with the immense amount of information. A lot of it, though, is very controversial and sensitive; it goes deep into Adolf Hitler and the Nazis, and it's overall ideology is considered to be "far Right", so it may be sensitive, but nevertheless enlightening. After all, all sides of the story have some form of truth. It does though promote some David Icke and those guys whom I'm not really into, for the sake of serious researching outweighing the gatekeeper fiction stuff (ie. reptillians, and all that). Also, seeing that it promotes National Socialism, it may have some form of racialism, and so I say to you to view it with critique as well as an open mind. I myself am not comfortable with many aspects of far Right ideology, especially the emphasizing on race, which is why I would like to stress that I do not favor the ideology of Right or Left. They both have good info as well as some BS.

[WanderingLands]

Please, spare us!

Two things really, no three. One, your conspiracy theory of everything is leading you to confirmation bias in your research and blinding you to obvious propaganda, in this case Hindu. Two, given what Maths is its not beyond the understanding that mathematical theorems can be discovered independently at different times and in different places, we have already have an example with Newton and Leibniz. Three, don't accept things on face value do your research - http://www.geom.uiuc.edu/~demo5337/Group3/hist.html
So looks like the idea has been around for 4000 odd years.
Oh! Four, if its never been brought up in history then how do you know about it?

Alright there, brotha from anotha motha. Let's not let anger and attacks get in the way of debate and discussion, so letme address your points against me.

One, I am a researcher, and I have an open mind about things which allows me to transcend the opinions of what other people think, and in especially in this case, what you think. So your labeling me of being a typical "conspiracy theorist" who has "confirmation bias" is little more than ad hominem, and seeing that you just reject all of them without any critical thinking shows that you have not tried to logically review all things (whether it be "conspiracy theory" or mainstream things), and instead simply hopped on to academic versions of things just because it appears to be scholarly and rational, and so you now simply attack it in your camp of things.
Two, Mathematics, you see, can only be explored so much before you start to realize that it's endless. The reason why that it's endless is because it shows and proves that existence is limitless and eternal; the Law of Oneness. There are many flaws in which mathematics are used to explain and confirm the Big Bang theory and the Black Hole theory; both of which are mainly based on mathematics and trying to yield the laws of gravity and conservation of mass and energy into the Big Bang theory and the idea of a "finite universe", which completely contradicts these aforementioned laws which can be proven by observation (unlike Big Bang, Black Holes, and many other entanglements in Quantum Theory).
Three, you tell me not to accept things on face value, and yet you are attacking me for looking into things which you call "conspiracy theories", without of course you maybe re examining it (recalling that you looked into that stuff in the 1970s). I will admit that I have looked at things at fave value in the past, but now that I'm looking into Logic, I am now trying to free my mind and to examine the information which I was exploring for the past four to five years, to seewhich one is true and which is false. It is all based on logic, looking at the flaws of each article I write, and of course using my intuition. I nevertheless may look at the site that you've given me, some time in the future of course.
Four, I shall clarify that it has not really been considered before, at least not without the opposition from academia and the government.

[Arising_uk]

... Also, seeing that it promotes National Socialism, it may have some form of racialism, ...[/quote[Well dur!!

... especially the emphasizing on race, which is why I would like to stress that I do not favor the ideology of Right or Left. ...

You delude yourself. You are heading firmly towards the far far right.

They both have good info as well as some BS.

Pretty much all you've posted above is BS.

You are turning out to be quite a nasty little character despite your protestations. Stop thinking you are 'researching' as you are skewed by your conspiracy confirmation bias and the weeb is fuelling it. Save yourself, work, earn money and go get an education so you can then judge from a sounder base.

[WanderingLands]

You are turning out to be quite a nasty little character despite your protestations. Stop thinking you are 'researching' as you are skewed by your conspiracy confirmation bias and the weeb is fuelling it. Save yourself, work, earn money and go get an education so you can then judge from a sounder base.

I can already imagine what kind of "sounder base" you want me to be at, but whatever. Your attacks are meaningless ad hominem, as you pretty much quoted parts of what I've said and decided to call me a "nasty little character". But hey, whatever. Egotistical minds always persist in their never ending ridicule, as they only know by what they are told...

Anyways man, relax. Let's not get all uptight over this. Let's just take a little trip on the low rida for once, man...



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ro4yhp9L6Ok

[Arising_uk]

... One, I am a researcher, and I have an open mind about things which allows me to transcend the opinions of what other people think, and in especially in this case, what you think. ...

So what you are actually saying is that you take no note of others opinions and because you mistake this for an 'open' mind you can ignore them.

So your labeling me of being a typical "conspiracy theorist" who has "confirmation bias" is little more than ad hominem, and seeing that you just reject all of them without any critical thinking shows that you have not tried to logically review all things (whether it be "conspiracy theory" or mainstream things), and instead simply hopped on to academic versions of things just because it appears to be scholarly and rational, and so you now simply attack it in your camp of things.

No, what I am saying is that my description of you is a fact and I reject what you post as it having no basis in fact but are in fact propaganda produced for political reasons by various groups. Now you can say this applies to 'academia', et al but I'll point out to you that they are, on the whole, peer-reviewed and backed up by historical evidence whereas what you have posted is conjecture by various groups to support their agenda.

Two, Mathematics, you see, can only be explored so much before you start to realize that it's endless. The reason why that it's endless is because it shows and proves that existence is limitless and eternal; the Law of Oneness. There are many flaws in which mathematics are used to explain and confirm the Big Bang theory and the Black Hole theory; both of which are mainly based on mathematics and trying to yield the laws of gravity and conservation of mass and energy into the Big Bang theory and the idea of a "finite universe", which completely contradicts these aforementioned laws which can be proven by observation (unlike Big Bang, Black Holes, and many other entanglements in Quantum Theory).

What are you babbling about?

The reason why Maths is 'endless'(?) is the same reason why Logic is, they are formal axiomatic symbolic systems that can go on churning out theorems until the end-of-time.

Three, you tell me not to accept things on face value, and yet you are attacking me for looking into things which you call "conspiracy theories", without of course you maybe re examining it (recalling that you looked into that stuff in the 1970s). I will admit that I have looked at things at fave value in the past, but now that I'm looking into Logic, I am now trying to free my mind and to examine the information which I was exploring for the past four to five years, to seewhich one is true and which is false. It is all based on logic, looking at the flaws of each article I write, and of course using my intuition. I nevertheless may look at the site that you've given me, some time in the future of course.

Try looking at it now and seeing that it contradicts your claim about the Hindu.

You make a fair point about examining such things, as such I'd not say you should stop but you are obviously looking into such things to find a purpose or meaning that you haven't found elsewhere, e.g. in academic study, and as such I think you will not be able to critically examine what you read and that your confirmation bias will only allow you to choose from the options rather than look for true alternatives, i.e. your will not consider that all of what you've found may be wrong and that maybe just maybe the academics might know what they are talking about.

What do you mean by "I'm looking into Logic"? If you are looking into Logic then pick an introductory book and really study it.

You are all over the place in your 'research', flitting from one subject to the next. Try some discipline and study one subject for a few years.

Four, I shall clarify that it has not really been considered before, at least not without the opposition from academia and the government.

There you go again! The govt gives two shits about such loons and academia only 'opposes' it because most of it is bullshit and gives their subject a bad name.

[Arising_uk]

...
I can already imagine what kind of "sounder base" you want me to be at, but whatever. ...

Can you? Don't imagine, tell me.

Your attacks are meaningless ad hominem, as you pretty much quoted parts of what I've said and decided to call me a "nasty little character". But hey, whatever. Egotistical minds always persist in their never ending ridicule, as they only know by what they are told...

And yet all you spout is what you've been told?

You are a nasty little character as your past few posts are far right anti-semite drivel which you try to disguise as 'hidden knowledge' due to your conspiracy complex.

Anyways man, relax. Let's not get all uptight over this. Let's just take a little trip on the low rida for once, man...

You think you can spout your far-right conspiracy bollocks upon this site and I should chill-out? Still, I'm not really mad at you as I think you just another bourgeoise dweeb. You're obviously fairly intelligent, go do something positive with it before you go off the rails into a world you're not prepared for.
p.s.
Saw the film and danced to the tune when they first came out thanks and you are nowhere near them.

[WanderingLands]

Alright, now that the humor and satire is done away with, let's review that website that you've given me.

The website that you've given me seems to give ground for that "New Tradition" or "New Chronology" thing that I've posted, and as well as the other post about that Indian mathematician. First, the introductory says, "not much more is known of his early years"; "legend has it that upon completion of his famous theorem, Pythagoras sacrificed 100 oxen"; and "although he is credited with the discovery of the famous theorem, it is not possible to tell if Pythagoras is the actual author". The fact that we are taught about an elaborate view about the ancient world, and yet have less actual documentation and more legends (as with Buddha, Christ, Muhammad, etc.), gives credence that maybe the established view of the ancient world is not as based on hard grounds as we are lead to believe in schools and academia. For me, part of it was because that people during that alleged period weren't using the current datings that are now used in the modern world today; certainly not putting years, months, or days.

There might be another factor, in which there might be some secret force that's elaborating on ancient history, possibly to indoctrinate people into thinking that a utopia of that like Greece and Rome were "glorious" and "wonderful", despite also some documentation where there was immense oppression and problems that people had to endure. Quotes like, "Pythagoras gained his famous status by founding a group, the Brotherhood of Pythagoreans, which was devoted to the study of mathematics"; "the group was almost cult-like in that it had symbols, rituals and prayers. In addition, Pythagoras believed that "Number rules the universe,"and the Pythagoreans gave numerical values to many objects and ideas"; "these numerical values, in turn, were endowed with mystical and spiritual qualities"; and "unfortunately, this vow of secrecy prevented an important mathematical idea from being made public", make me think that the alleged Pythagoras and the Pythagoreans were in reference to secret societies, such as that of Rosicrucians and Freemasons.

Also, the Greeks did not have a number system; they were said to have used their alphabetical system, and that system has only about 24 letters, so which means that the Pythagoreans couldn't have discovered irrational numbers, and they could not write in the "a^2 + b^2 = c^2" version that we have today. So this means that there are holes in ancient history that need to be looked at if we are to truly understand the whole world.

[WanderingLands]

So what you are actually saying is that you take no note of others opinions and because you mistake this for an 'open' mind you can ignore them.

That is not true. I do listen to others, as I have reviewed that website you've shown me from my latest post. However, that does not stop me from analyzing them and critiquing them to see if I can find some flaws or shortcomings. Another thing is that much of your comments on what I've presented on this forum have been pretty much attacks on me which reflects your massive egotism.

No, what I am saying is that my description of you is a fact and I reject what you post as it having no basis in fact but are in fact propaganda produced for political reasons by various groups. Now you can say this applies to 'academia', et al but I'll point out to you that they are, on the whole, peer-reviewed and backed up by historical evidence whereas what you have posted is conjecture by various groups to support their agenda.

And how would you know that unless if it were you who were to actually take it upon yourself to examine them? Are you truly more serious about learning and Philosophy, or are you just parroting things from what you've heard without realizing or acknowledging it?

The reason why Maths is 'endless'(?) is the same reason why Logic is, they are formal axiomatic symbolic systems that can go on churning out theorems until the end-of-time.

Why, that is the mistake of only trusting your inductive mind without reviewing them and trying to deduce them, which is what Logic in its simplest term is, no matter how much you explore it. Trying to explore it too much without a basic axiom is useless, and thus all you're doing is playing simple mind games and tricking yourself.

Try looking at it now and seeing that it contradicts your claim about the Hindu.

You make a fair point about examining such things, as such I'd not say you should stop but you are obviously looking into such things to find a purpose or meaning that you haven't found elsewhere, e.g. in academic study, and as such I think you will not be able to critically examine what you read and that your confirmation bias will only allow you to choose from the options rather than look for true alternatives, i.e. your will not consider that all of what you've found may be wrong and that maybe just maybe the academics might know what they are talking about.

You see, you are repeating the mistake of blindly trusting authority, which is known as the "Appeal to Authority" fallacy. You are simply denouncing what I'm talking about mainly because that's it's not acknowledged by authority. This goes back to what I've been talking about regarding academia; it is no more different in its process of molding minds and persecuting other opinions than that of the Roman Catholic Church. Now one can argue that the RCC used much crueler tactics, such as that of torture,and they are right on that. But it's the essence of that tactic; the propagandizing and tactics that shut out dissenting opinions, that make the two similar. So really, you are not much better than me when it comes to examining things. I admit that I've taken things at face value in the past, and I believe that I was probably in your shoes back when you looked into things like the Occult, and I understand why you've probably left that place, and I myself have been growing out of it for the most part (years ago, I was heavily into the reptilians and New Age phenomena). But the thing is, I still explore it, mainly because I want to learn more about it, and it's because that I was never taught this when I went to school.

What do you mean by "I'm looking into Logic"? If you are looking into Logic then pick an introductory book and really study it.

You are all over the place in your 'research', flitting from one subject to the next. Try some discipline and study one subject for a few years.

Right now, I'm reading 42 Fallacies by Dr. Michael C. LaBossiere in learning how to track fallacies in how information is presented, and as well as pick up on things that I myself have been lacking. You are right that I do jump all over the place, which is a bad habit of mine. The reason why I do that is so I don't get stuck with the same information when others are aloof and are, for me, a want to look at, and also because there are things that I don't know about that I want to find before something happens (such as the information being mysteriously shut down as I've been noticing occasionally). I'm close to being an adult actually, so I am starting out doing things.

[WanderingLands]

Can you? Don't imagine, tell me.

One can only be so analytical and ask for so much clarification, only to realize that they may have to think on their own about the aphorisms and parables presented to them.

And yet all you spout is what you've been told?

You are a nasty little character as your past few posts are far right anti-semite drivel which you try to disguise as 'hidden knowledge' due to your conspiracy complex.

Why think you for that wonderful compliment. I sure will be waking up in the morning thinking about what you say of me!

In all seriousness, though, I may not to quick enough in presenting all of my information and my searching, but I can surely tell you that I am not "far right", or am I "anti Semitic". For one, I was actually in fact at one time an admirer of leftist ideology, and even at first was exploring Marxism and it's manifestations from Lenin, Trotsky, Mao, and Stalin. You may or may not know, but there is such thing as "Left Libertarianism" in which supports free market while still opposing corporations, globalized free trade and the social class that's based on wealth, that which in fact opposes the idea of equal play in free market (Agorism and Isocracy are what I admire most).

Also, this may surprise you, but I've also looked into what you call "Afrocentric" scholarship, so I would definitely not support the White racialism (as well as Black racialism) or the ideas of Social Darwinism and Eugenics. Weird you think, since I'm White myself.

You think you can spout your far-right conspiracy bollocks upon this site and I should chill-out? Still, I'm not really mad at you as I think you just another bourgeoise dweeb. You're obviously fairly intelligent, go do something positive with it before you go off the rails into a world you're not prepared for.
p.s.
Saw the film and danced to the tune when they first came out thanks and you are nowhere near them.

I believe that this remark of yours is really to mask the fact that you've called me "right wing", "anti semitic", "conspiracy theorist", and that you've even sometimes resorted to foul language.

Anyways, I may not be Cheech and Chong (and I haven't smoke weed), but hey whatever. Your eye of me....

[Ginkgo]

Two things really, no three. One, your conspiracy theory of everything is leading you to confirmation bias in your research and blinding you to obvious propaganda, in this case Hindu. Two, given what Maths is its not beyond the understanding that mathematical theorems can be discovered independently at different times and in different places, we have already have an example with Newton and Leibniz. Three, don't accept things on face value do your research - http://www.geom.uiuc.edu/~demo5337/Group3/hist.html
So looks like the idea has been around for 4000 odd years.
Oh! Four, if its never been brought up in history then how do you know about it?

Exactly what I was thinking

[WanderingLands]

I have recently encountered a real good website on the history of Thelema and the O.T.O. called "The Ordo Templi Orientis Phenomenon", done by Peter R. Koenig. I'm just exploring this website, and I must say, really seems to have some good information.

http://www.parareligion.ch/

I have some other websites that touch on the broader subject known as the Occult.

http://alchemyguild.memberlodge.org/

This website above is membership only (which I myself happen to be a member of this website), where you can search for some information via the "Alchemy Archives" and interact on its forums. Me personally, I mainly use it for the Archives.

Some more websites.

http://www.renaissanceastrology.com/index.html
http://www.esotericarchives.com/
http://www.levity.com/alchemy/

[WanderingLands]

I was looking to see if there was any such thing as Islamic Occultism, and came across a text called Shams Al-Ma'arif by Ahmad al-Buni. Here's a video about it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTdWHuBexmc